Evil_Legacy

I really dont blame them for turning that one down. It looks like the author has already condemned them and looking for more fuel for the fire. It's like the author already chosen sides as the Save COH side is right and NCSoft is wrong. It's like a Democrat getting an invite to to a Republican's Democrat bashing session (and vice versa). Or like a meat packing plant getting invited to do an interview from PETA and or the Vegan socity. It smells like a set up. It was smart for them to ignore that one. Maybe one that doesnt look like a reporter on the side of, or at least make it less obvious, that the reporter is already chosen a side. Maybe a little less bias and they might respond. But at this rate, I think the Save the COH thing have antagonized them so much that anything that look remotely like that organization they want nothing to do with and have no plans on answering or even acknowledging any thing they request until they feel they want to. Well when you declare war on a corporation, cant expect them to welcome the cause and consider going along with it happily. That's like cursing out a neighbor because you think his grass is too long and wondering why he dont even speak to you anymore or invite you anywhere or let alone allow to use his lawn mower even though he isnt using it.

Customization-Good customization to create a character from ground up in looks/costumes and in power selections outside the usual structured power set selections. Wish eventually to have one where the character can have a customizable voice in game.

Storylines- A good story. If it's going to take itself serious, one that doesnt try too hard to be serious and just is. If it's going to be funny, one that is funny. Just good story lines.

World- Large maps if needed but not a bunch of unused maps that are huge for no reason. And each map have a story to it that is active to the current game. Not some side road that no one goes to.

Powerful character potential- Dont have to be godly, but dont have to be NPCs lackey the entire time. A hero that can go gets his/her own missions instead of relying solely on contacts to tell there there are evil doers lurking.

Enemy groups that are significant and is a threat-None used as filler material.

Variety of mission type-some outdoor some indoor, some under water, some in space, some on the moon, some in offices, some in apartments, some in large homes, some in a bus station, some in a bank, some in a volcano base or something. ANd less ambushes. Ambushes dont equal harder especially if every other mish have an ambush.

Brave villians-While you are powerful, these villians beleive they are a threat to you and willing to fight instead of tucking tail and running at the sight of you. Not very heroic feeling to smash someone that do not wish to fight and rather flee. Let the lowly cops deal with them. Let the hero deal with the villians that are a threat and actually aim to take you out.

Leveling should be done at a good pace whether solo or teaming and all content/storylines should be able to be soloed. Even in super hero lore there are very few heroes that grab a team of each other everytime they want take out some villians. but neither way should be slower or faster than the other.

Interesting villian groups with different goals and will fight each other if they come across one they dont like and work with ones they do like. And each villains group have a well written background story(think I said this already but once again). Nothing worse than a villian group just thrown in there just to be thrown in there unti la contact thinks of something else better.

Defeat all have a real purpose to defeat all. Grabbing a glowy have a real reason for grabbing just the glowing thing. Although it would be interesting to have these things more of a suggestion than requirement. If you defeat all, it may affect the next mish differently than if you left one or two alive to tell the story.

See ya.

nice video

oh damn that sucks.

naw it was earlier than that, lot earlier than that. Most of my friends quit the forum and avoided them. I was on my way out, then one said

"How are you going to let those trollers and flamers run off a forum, which you pay a monthly feeto post on that they dont pay for you? They dont pay more and you dont pay less. You have every right to be there just like anyone else and opinions are opinions, talk is talk, but only you can let them take thatright from you if you let them. You leave when you are ready to leave and not a second before. Just ignore them and keep it moving."

He was right and thus I stayed, and if you look deep into my post history around mid year 2010 or 11 and later part of 2012 there is gap where there isnt a single post from me and that was during that time period. Alas, I still havent conqoured the "ignore" part. But I plan on being here until Nov 30th. May not like the neighbors, but this is my home too.

basically.

Buddies? Me and Toast? I guess you never seen any of our prior run ins with each other and most are not even around anymore, but through all of that, I always had respect for Toast.


It just he is saying exactly what I have been saying and or would of said anyways. And I'm not a dude. And unlike many I dont only reply to post I disagree on or looks for post to call someone stupid or idiot because I dont agree with them. If I see a post and it's in me to post I will, even if it's something I agree with. And his current idea in his posts, regardless of past relationships and even if he still hates my guts, the idea and statement is what I agree with. I leave personal feelings out of it when replying to an idea whether I agree or not unless someone attacks me first and make it personal. Thus far, you havent nor anyone outside the regular few, thus, I stick to the idea.

Although I'm not too keen on the implying that we are both dudes, which I'm not, and are a couple, which we are not, but meh, I think the wink means joking or something so no harm no foul. I see the intentions and dont look liek it was meant to be mean.

I think I've been talking about how rude this forum has been for a while, according to one person or two. I think we finally just crossed paths with the same idea and now know it isnt just me that noticed it as many have implied in the past.

I noticed that people will always find something to complain about in a post whether it's spelling, grammar, format, length, subject, word choice, view, opinions, facts, evidence, lack of evidence, truths, lies, quotes, and now even placement of quotes. There is no way to please everyone or else there would be no way to make a post so might as well do it as the poster sees fit. Either way, someone isnt going to like it.

Plus placement of quoting is a very small issue not even worth bring up in my opinion, but others feel differently.
Nettiquette? What nettiquette? This forum hasnt shown nettiquette or even so much as ettiquette as a whole in a while and even less in recent times since the famous announcements.

Do it even matter where the quote is?

Either way someone will always complain.

I kind of like the bottom quote. You read what the person has to say first then followed by what they are replying to.

Even old dogs die eventually. But seems to some this one was put down early.

+1 that. again.

No, I just assimiated the online culture. I just started to give out what has been given to me. No jerks will be jerks. Most of my posts that wasnt to start a flame and were just normal subjects, jerks still was jerk whether to me, or to other posters.

I'm not belittling the community but I sure as hell isnt going to act like everything is all cherry and peachy when it's in no way or fashion ever was. Even the PvP section, which I have not posted in yet, I see stuff most of the time there that is not anywhere near friendly.

My actions is probably more of a creation of people being contant jerks than anything but either way, I'm going to call like like I see it and not even really talking about people's reactions to me. That is besides the point. I'm talking about observations and how people treat other people here. Now if you want to add that factor in, then yeah, why would you expect me to even consider this a friendly place? Why wouldnt you expect me to want to sit here and laugh as the community burns? But that's not my thought and not my point there because that is interaction between me and those jerks. But as I said with that not even being a factor, still this isnt the most friendly place in the gaming world. It's no better than the rest of them. In fact I find CO way more friendly than here, and yea I post there too. Other people may have a different view of it and that is fine. The difference i noticed between there and here, is that they handle differing views and respect each other way more so than here. God forbid you say something here that a person dont agree with than they attack the person instead of the idea. There, it's different. And people say here the average age is higher than CO but from the actions I say CO got this community by a few decades. And that's real talk. Now, if you really want me to add personal feelings and how people reacted to me personally to it, then you'll have to just PM me if you truey want to answer.

Mortal Kombat. Good games.

I think it eroded the confindence of people who had no idea how the MMO world work and forgot that it's not a console game. Yet, whether if it happened with this game or the next, the confidence of those people would have been eroded either way when whatever game they was playing closed down.

21,000 out of the alleged high number of subs and viable and healthy game is nothing and probably hurt more than help. It was suppose to show that the gamers of this community was not pleased yet only got 21,000 sigs out of as some people put the numbers, 100,000 players, and some of those signatures are not even this game's player base, some are double signatures, and dont think anything have been done to verify those signatures and seeing how many actual people signed it that didnt double-triple or more account signature and so on. Even with the raw 21,000 and assuming all of them are legit different people, that is still a very small amount for this game according to numbers of subs that been tossed around.

NCSoft, as mentioned before, only did what NCSoft does and have done the past 5-6 or what ever odd number of games closed. Cant blame them for players having confidence in that record and feeling dissappointed when they do what they have been doing for years in the past. If anything, it should of have been expected.

90 days is more than enough notice. After research on how games usually close, most average about 30-60 days, with not many being over 60 days.

Either 21,000 is a significant amount of the actual player base and the other number has been over inflated or outdated, meaning this game was dead in the water for shutdown anyways due to lack of players or 21,00 is insignificant and can be used as a general lack of care about the game sunsetting besides a relatively few that NCSoft probably already figured would be outraged.

Yeah I level much faster solo to solo in CO than COH. Solo to even 15 takes some time while it's done very swiftly in CO. Teaming wise, not sure, haveing teamed in CO for any significant amounts of time, and teaming at low levels, assuming with a brave team that handles +2 or at the very least +1, then it's quick. Given that it seems the reward bonus for teaming is not much CO side, it would seem teaming to level is where COH have edge. Solo, CO have the edge hands down. And even more so in later levels.

This is true.

So much for the "perfect" community. I aint the only one that noticed. And yeah I know many people in game that refused to bother with forum ever again after trying it just for the reason mentioned above there, Toast.

And that is probably the disconnect between NCSoft view as value and probably compared to what they could get with taxes by holding on to it and or compared to what they paid for it when they bought it, compared to what the actual offers are and that are thinking that the game is already 8 years old, and really not trying to wait 3-4 years to break even. A lowball offer to one party may seem reasonable to the one doing the offering but in this case it's seems very one way benefit. NCSoft does not seem to be desperate to get rid of it but some people want to buy it. The ball is really in NCSoft's court with this matter and dont seem anyone had any "real" offers that would satisfy that and any savvy buisness probably aint going to risk paying the worth value and having to wait that long on a turn around for profits. Of course it's possible that they break even prior to that if the game grows but the way it looks, it's getting hollow. Not many players around, many moved on, many have sworn off MMOs for a while, so yea, it's real risky buisness to buy unless the person or buyer is patient and dont mind waiting 4-5 years to break even.

How long did it take NCSoft to break even when buying this game? Probably not long but it wasnt overnight, as ?what? they paid probably a whole lot more than 3-5 million that seemed to been jokingly offered to them. And that's was getting a game that was basically near it's peak, and still fully functional. Here now, we are talking about a game that have no dev team, shrinking community and still leaking as the days go on, old engine, and 8 years old and old (doesnt mean it isnt good) by game standards. That is a large risk for anyone that is to pay any significant money and make a profit anytime soon. On the other hand, what would the price that would be offered would be way less than what value they could get if they didnt sell. NCSoft can make something up or even use the good times as evidence of what the game is worth and make a killing compared to the pennies being offered to sale it seems.

True. but I'm sure there was players that cared just as there are players here that may care. That probably go for any game that is getting canceled. This shutdown seems like a "big deal" to some because we are here. To most on the outside, it's just another game shutting down.

basically and it's really showing now.

yea.

True, but according to many here, NCSoft reputation in America is dead in the water anyways now. I doubt that is the case, and it will be buisness as usual. But even then I think they will survive even if they completely pull out. Probably not on as large of a scale as they are now, but I dont think the american market is as large to the point it's a make or break them. There are plenty of Asian companies that are public traded that sells not a single product here and is doing just fine. America is a signifcant part of te world economy but it isnt THE world.

+1 this.

People keep bringing up NCSoft killed 5-6 games, depending on who is asked, as if it's problem. If it was that big of a deal, and they were notorious for "kiling games" I sometimes wonder why did people even bother putting years into this game, especially given NCSoft so called reputation as an "MMO killer".


As some Indian off a show said. "There wasa woman that found a snake frozen in the snow. She took it home thawed it out and nursed it to health, or something like that. Then one day the snake bit here. She asked the snake, "why did you bite me after all I done for you." The snake replied, "****, You knew I was a snake." The point is, if there "reputation" was already there, then it should of been left alone a long time ago. NCSoft is going to be NCSoft and cant blame NCSoft if a person get bit. Their track record already been there. It was the folly of some to ignore it and think it would never happen to them. Yea, if it wasnt for NCSoft this game would of faded into nothingness a long time ago.

oh hell.