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Originally Posted by Sardan

The ol' "teach a man to fish" route. I don't believe most players understand how easy it is to get Hero Merits, nor how to maximize their value.

Originally Posted by Zombie Man

While a MM is at a disadvantage in the destroy objects phase of Lambda, they tend to shine in the Escapee phase of BAM. They have specific strengths and weaknesses that you have to work around.

Originally Posted by Yorukira

MM are by far under-performing in the new contend.I have a lv 51 Ninja/Dark/Soul and I'm running 80% of the time petsless in this Trial. Pet aren't even worth Upgrading anymore, they get one shot in every mob like a balloons in the grass.

The most obvious problem is that pets are fighting enemies 5lv above then!! Only little lv+1 isn't helping at all. I know they are two new Lv+1 but is a immense pain it because to get it, b/c MM aren't getting the rare reward pool from the trial!! More work for MM.

Is already hard to be able to use my powers without running out of end or dying. BG is almost useless now b/c every enemies have AoE. Most of the time my toggles drops while Re-summon pets and upgrading, is becoming a pain.

They should buff MM by eliminating the lv difference of pets and make all the same lv of the MM. Also, they should add a oneshot kill on pets, Make it so that pets always keep 1 HP if they have full hp and get hit by the lv+5 target.

MM can't play without his pets and this new contend is by far a lot harder that normal PvE. Pets are already weak and the new incarnate doesn't cut it for pets, with +1 or +3 on then they will still get one shot in every mob.

For real Buff MM!

Originally Posted by Baryonyx

Reward System
Last, but certainly not least, we have been paying attention to your feedback and questions concerning the rewards from Incarnate Trials. Particularly, we understand the curiosity surrounding the way in which the Incarnate Trial Reward Tables are awarded. While we’re not going to give away the keys to the castle, here’s a few points we wanted to share with you:

• As Second Measure previously said, the system rewards participation.
• The Trials are a group effort, so working together to complete the objectives of the event will provide a more rewarding experience for all members of the league.
• While there is an element of randomness, the system is not completely random.
• Don’t forget that higher tier rewards can be broken down into lower tier components.
• We are actively monitoring the reward system to ensure it continues to reward players for their participation as fairly and equitably as possible.
• When a part of our community shows concern, such as Masterminds have, we will investigate the rewards and make tweaks as needed. In fact, you can expect to see some changes from the first round of metrics and feedback in an upcoming patch.

That’s all I have for today everyone. Thank you for your patience as we process all of your feedback and commentary. Good luck and happy hunting!

Chris “Baryonyx” Behrens

Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades

Arcanaville, it is just a farming system nothing more.

It could be for all its worth Fire Farm #xxxxxx and it is just a Dev approved Farm system. In the past City of Heroes let you get credit for whatever YOU want to do.

The math says the new system is no longer like the old game. I can get shards doing anything - even sewer runs with a bunch of level ones. To make a Baf or Lambda a gate would be fine - we run it and it unlocks just like the Ouro Alpha missions.

I did not have to farm that contact mission however beating Trapdoor 30 times to get my alpha. I could run a WST, any Tf and any content even street sweeping and get shards. Now we twist the game into a narrow path and say - this is what we say is now fun.

What needs to happen is either shards or threads goes away. I don't care which, it is stupid to have mixed currency. Then make it a gate to run the Trials and get the shiney unlocked. Once you do that let you run anything you like - yes even Fire Farm xxxxxxx for your enjoyment.

Want to add another chance to get a Hami O for winning a trial? Great idea - but limiting gameplay in this manner is NOT good for the long term health of the game.

Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion

I got a few good tables the first two days I ran. (Only running one tanker). Ever since then, and I run a LOT of trials, I feel like Charlie Brown. I look down in my sack and all I see is a rock. It's going to takee a lot of rocks to tier 4 my abilities, and that is frustrating.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

My experience leads me to believe that the drop tables for the trials is weighted by participation but not determined by participation. Which means you cannot predict what you will get based on activity, but you can say that higher activity increases the chances of a higher reward.

I don't have quantitative evidence of this yet, but I hope to soon one way or the other. I can say that I've seen some highly suggestive evidence.

1. People who d/c for extended periods of time during trials seem to more likely claim to get a common reward.

2. My blaster, in 20 completed trials, got only one common table. If the system was weighted towards common actually being more common than uncommon, this would be an *incredibly* astronomical run of good or bad luck, depending on your point of view.

3. Every short trial I've run has netted me a rare or very rare so far.

I'm going to look more deeply at my logs to see if I can find stronger evidence than that, either tonight or tomorrow.

Originally Posted by plainguy

I don't know I really think i20 screwed up this game. People have been getting so pissed off because teams are failing these new Trials. I've been on only 2 days because I'm on a MAC ( Mac client was down since i20 came out ) and I have to tell you as the time goes by people are just getting worse.

You have a new player who never did a Trial as the league leader who has no clue how to move players around. Does not know how to use the new UI. So you have players cursing at the guy as he tries to figure it out. Even when I say I'm explaining it to the person, players are just going nuts. I've had players say I would kick that guy in the face. You guys all F'ing suck and should die.. It's like over the top insane.

Basically these Trials have done nothing but foster much more hate against other players. One BAF Trial we had one tank having a slight issue and as usual once the team wipes pretty much everything goes out of control. But it got so crazy during the last part one person cursed out the Tank, again way over the top and of course the tank split.

I even jumped on a team I though the guy knew what he was doing and he was picking certain players.. Had 3 teams and even that fell apart. He never did the Trial before. He was just winging it..

On top I don't know I sort of feel like a hamster on a wheel. Pretty much about 90% of the teams are through the auto pick up method. So your doing the mission even though you know you can't complete it for drops.

I think these missions are nice, but bad concept. Your just running to get the new powers so you can solo other content much faster or better.

Its 2 missions with 10 new widgets. They really don't explain how to use them or where to go to read up on it. Am I doing a bad idea by down converting some of those astral thingy ? Who knows. I understand they didn't want players farming the old stuff and have the new powers the moment this stuff went live, but this stuff is a bit silly. And 100 million ? Wow yea I have it, but even for me it's a lot. I surely cannot do this on all my characters. I could do it on maybe 1 or 2 even 3, but that is it. It would take me some time or a bit of luck to get it for anymore of my toons slotted with these powers.

It is as if they are assuming everyone is farming and can do this without even a thought.

I might not be getting my point across very well. But I hope I am making some sense. I am much better at public speaker then I am at writing.

Originally Posted by Capa_Devans

I have every sympathy.

PUGs can be a horrid experience and while a team of 8 is bad enough, larger teams just give more opportunities for it to go wrong. Add that to the 'stand around for an hour to form' and I can absolutely understand why he doesn't want to bother.

I pay to play not stand around doing nothing.

Originally Posted by Jibikao

First of all, I DO like i20 issue. I think it brings something very different to the table. I know other big games like WoW have "raids" like this. I've never done a raid in WoW ('cause I quit that game at lvl 41) but I know it requires many people like 16 or 24.

However, some of my friends are quite annoyed with this issue because they feel that they are now "forced" to join a PUG team. Our normal team-size is about 4-6 every night and sometimes we get a full team.

He REALLY hates teaming with he doesn't know. I can't explain what happened because I met him through a PUG team two years ago. These friends have played this game for years and most of them have played this game since beta.


Now before you get angry and start trashing my friend, let me give you his side of view:

1. He has more than 20-30 level 50s. Some he doesn't like that much and some he REALLY likes them. He has two active accounts. He even hired artists to draw cartoon characters based on his toon and costume design. He is THAT into this game for 6-7 years.

2. He likes to team but only with people he knows. We all belong to the same chat that we use every night.


3. He likes challenges. He doesn't like the setting too low.

4. Since i20, he used 40 shards, 5 Wells conversion (this means he used 5 weeks), 3 ITF runs, 1 new Hero SF 20-40 and two Villain SF 20-40 runs to try to get his first Judgment and he is STILL 6 shards away from getting just the FIRST tier power. I haven't converted much from Shard to Thread because I've been teaming in Pocket D (since I don't mind PUGing most of the time) but this conversion looks very sucky. Let's just say he wants to avoid all trials, it will take him 2.5 years to unlock something that those that do trials can unlock in days/weeks. I understand you can let soloers gain threads too easily or else nobody wants to join trials but I think the conversion needs to be better than what we have now. Disagree?


5. We did a Lamba run with 4 other friends from the chat and we almost beat it with 8 people in Lamba. Only two people (including myself) have done Lamba before and know what is going on. I think we did REALLY well and I believe with some practice, we can beat Lamba with just 8 people. This is acceptable. But I am afraid BAF will be much harder with just 8 people especially during prison escapes. Now, are there any news that the future trials are going to have smaller-size trials? I actually prefer smaller-size and with added "Randomness" so each run doesn't feel exactly the same way. Random-ness can be some random events or random AVs that you need to beat.



6. He wants to advance with some of his favorite characters but he just doesn't want to join big trial teams.

Well, I just want to voice his opinions here because he may quit soon and I am going to be sad as he plays a lot and he is one of my long-term game friend in this game. I've been trying very hard to talk him out of it but he can be so stubborn!!! I understand i20 doesn't take away anything he has enjoyed so far but he does want new Incarnate abilities. He just doesn't want to feel like he is forced to PUG with less than 8-12 people.


What's your thoughts on this?

Originally Posted by Aggelakis

Don't wait in queue. Go to a coop zone and get in a pre-formed.

Originally Posted by Zombie Man

Server-side lag always benefits the player. It's like you've sped up. It also allows you to move faster since the server will often accommodate your moves and update itself to what you're doing. Things that would require split second decisions can be done at a more leisurely pace.

It benefits you until your powers have refreshed in your tray, but not by the server's time, so, you click on buttons that do nothing at the moment, or, you move so far that the servers say, "I really don't think so, so, I'm moving you back *here*" and you rubberband.