Dispari

I always figured psi armor would just be Willpower.

I more expect them to be items in the store than something you have to obtain in-game.

Health doesn't count.

It's funny because it's quite obviously a farm mission.

Fortunately, we can remain civil while not resorting to Godwin at first opportunity.

It wasn't a stealth nerf. It was in the patch notes.

http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/news/p..._2011_live.php

"Characters will now be cleansed of buffs from inspiration and non self-cast buffs and debuffs when entering an Mission Architect map."

And it should have no impact on legitimate players. You should have no need to use a bunch of inspirations before you zone into a mission, and then get more. All your inspiration use should be inside the mission.

It was done to counteract people using the door ambush farms where they'd use a full tray of reds and yellows, then pick up oranges and purples, and run in with capped everything. Legitimate players shouldn't need to worry about this at all. Use your inspirations once inside. There's no non-farm situation where you should need to use more than about 4 inspirations at a time even to "prepare" for something tough.

Now the ambush change I think hurts legitimate players, but I've already pretty much written off AE as a part of the game because I got tired of all the restrictions in trying to tell a story long ago.

I don't think they're "forcing." Reportedly they have the next several months of items planned out already. It's just that not all of them are going to be jaw-dropping.

If powers like Shockwave and Solar Flare would be too powerful if they did KD, then they're too powerful right now. You can already hover above a spawn and use the powers in that way, which would not cause scatter. Which is supposedly the balancing factor for these powers being "so strong" as-is: the scatter counterbalances it. Since you can already avoid the scatter, the powers are either too strong right now, or what people are saying about them doing KD if things changed being too strong is false.

In other words, it's already possible to do what people are claiming would make the powers too strong.

I don't know what there is left to prove other than "you can hover on a Peacebringer." But if you really need me to prove that, I guess I can.

No. Not all powers work that way. And some are counterintuitive (Hand Clap would work that way but you need to land every time you want to use Foot Stomp). And not all powers can be used while flying.

What I'm saying is that "powers would be too good if they were KD" is already provably false for most powers, including the ones cited (like Shockwave and Solar Flare).

Enemies you knock back are knocked back away from you. If you're above them they're knocked "back," downward. Which is into the ground. Meaning they don't go anywhere.

People have been using this trick since the game began to turn KB effects into KD. I use it on my Energy Blaster to prevent annoying teams.

Solar Flare was just made so you can use it while flying. You can already hover over a spawn and use it so it's KD.

What I find strange about this argument is that it implies that all (or most) powers that do KB would be overpowered if they instead did KD.

Though for every post you can make saying not to take X power because it does KB, you can find someone pointing out how you can just jump/fly/hover/use a wall/position yourself in such a way that it does KD instead.

So... is that the balancing factor? That it's okay if the powers do KD as long as you have to think about it some? Because other sets aren't really balanced that way. You don't have to think about where or when to use Fireball. It works the same however you use it. But are you saying Explosive Blast is potentially overpowered if you turn it into KD instead? My Blaster certainly doesn't feel overpowered when she hoverblasts.

Now there are a couple powers where it might matter. Repel powers and maybe Bonfire. But that's about it. And honestly I doubt even those; repel powers drain end per foe hit so you'd just run out of endurance if they weren't going anywhere. The devs would only have to look at a couple powers tops. It's not like Energy Blast would be topping the charts on performance if it did KD.

If this was true, high knockback sets would be top performers in damage. They're generally not. In fact, a lot of high knockback powers barely do any damage at all.

You're seriously stretching everything that's being said. There's a huge gap between "I don't like KB and it's an annoyance" to "I will kick and ban all people who have even one KB power from my team."

People in this thread are saying it basically never happens. No more often than people kicked from teams for not having enough purples. Yes, that has happened -- but has it ever happened to you? Do you think it's happened to more than a handful of people? It's an isolated incident, just a few misguided elitist players. I've heard of that happening, but I'm not panicking about my characters being kicked from teams over it. Saying "it has happened according to people in this thread" doesn't mean it's going to be a common occurrence.

Trying to claim it's going to be rampant is a wild stretch from an already wild stretch.

No he didn't. He said people would already be doing it. Which they really aren't. The argument is that if there was a way to get rid of knockback, people in the game would ban knockback on teams. There's already a way to get rid of knockback: not invite those characters, or kick them from the team. If people really were as extreme as you claim about avoiding knockback, they'd be doing it right now.

In fact, in that scenario, disabling knockback from sets like Energy Blast would make them welcome on a team. They could actually join a team and play. Unlike this hypothetical scenario where nobody's inviting Energy Blast characters at all.

Yes. The majority of players don't care about this sort of thing, it's mostly the long-term vets who pay attention to things like spawn kill speed and AoE efficiency. When I get on a team with someone who's spamming KB like crazy, it's annoying. I don't kick them. And I wouldn't if this option existed.

If it was instituted it would be mostly for players to do for themselves and make powersets more tolerable for themselves. If people did get threatened or kicked it would be A) no more common than it is now, B) on Freedumb.

Oddly, you consider someone switching off your KB as being annoying to the point that they should lose an entire power in return. Even though the whole reason they'd even wish that upon someone is that KB is a nuisance on teams right this second without anyone having to lose any powers at all. It's almost as if your actual stance is "I insist upon being a nuisance one way or another."

It's also worth noting that you couldn't "lose" Force Bolt or Explosive Blast or any other KB power. If they were changed to KD they'd still do damage and they'd still provide mitigation. Most of the time the difference in mitigation between KB and KD is very minor. And the pros of high mag KB would be heavily offset by the fact that now people can actually apply their debuffs to unscattered spawns, or attack all the enemies at once, make sure everyone is taunted, and so on. These are all vastly more useful than being able to knock down a spawn once or twice.

You're even equating to changing a power from KB to KD to making a character lose arguably their most important power. While you could argue that Force Bolt may be your most important power (though I would definitely disagree that your ability to knockdown one boss is as important as the entire role of a Tank), it would still be strong mitigation even if you turned it into KD. You aren't losing the entire power and its ability to chain-knock bosses or whatever you might be doing with it. It would still be able to do that. It's not even close to the same thing as making it so a Tank can't tank.

It's also worth noting that nobody here has rallied for an option to turn off the knockback powers of other people, or get rid of knockback gamewide. If it was instituted you'd have to turn it off yourself. So if you wound up "losing" Force Bolt, it would be because you did it yourself. There are people, like me, who don't like the KB in powers of characters they own, who would turn it off. People like you can leave it on. And then everyone is happy (I've never understood why people argue against "everyone is happy" solutions when they themselves stand to lose nothing).

Rogues are basically true neutral. They just do whatever is profitable or useful to them at the time. Whether that means stopping the criminals or helping them out. The motivation for rogue missions tends to just be making money.

It had often occurred to me that the original devs somehow didn't understand how accuracy and defense worked in their own game.