Deus_Otiosus

You can't target yourself. Its also unnecessary for what you are describing.

Balance by annoyance/frustration is not balance.

And people keep it maintained already, this just allows them to play the game as opposed to being a buff bot.

Diminishing returns already takes care of high end builds getting Speed Boosted - its mostly low powered teams (the ones who need the biggest equalizers) who see a huge and sudden play improvement.



A tiny, tiny minority does not get to speak for a vast majority who would welcome this change.

Give them the option to disallow buffs if its such an issue, of course they always have the option of quitting and finding a team to match their playstyle - which is better for all parties rather than have them fail to keep up on a hyperspeed murderfest team who stops for nothing or careening into walls because they can't control the movement increase (This still stuns me that people complain of this).

Unlike the shield buffs, which have such a fast native recharge and are intended to be applied to the entire team - buffs like Frostworks are clearly intended to be limited to a single target with its 60s recharge.

I'm a speed boost lover, and I can't imagine anyone not loving it.

But I applaud your ability to be rational here.

If you have time, please post your response in the official discussion thread where there is a clear loss of sanity and chaos has fully ensued.

As UberGuy said, Zwill has confirmed End & Rech will stay the same.

Now its just a matter of tossing out a single buff pre or post combat.

You can toss it as many times as you need.

You can actually continue to use it exactly like you do now and buff everyone on the team by targeting them individually - you will be spending the exact same amount of endurance.

Or you can wait for the small opportunities where you can nail everyone at once - with a bonus of time gained.


You're saying you can blast and buff, and I believe you. But this is like the melee cone issue.

You will now have more time to blast than you did, this is a given - and at worst, you can continue buffing exactly like you do now at no penalty.



It will not, as I just explained above.




I'm all for it.

More reasons for more people to play buffers.


My opinion is that this will see more people being buffed on trials, especially Lambda.

The trials were designed with cooperative team play in mind with no one power build prevailing. This helps smooth out some of the rough edges for the majority of the player base who are not bloodthirsty power gamers (like me ).

This will also alleviate people who were playing dedicated "buff bots" who were frantically trying to "keep the team alive" and losing out on participation.

Now they have no excuses, lets hope they had a few slots to spare for their attacks.

Seriously.

I had to read it three times to soak it all in.


Colleagues at work want to know why I'm smiling like a dummy.

Good catch, I always forget about that.

Does anyone know if the procs for Interface (pre-fix) are (were) using the damage duration or the debuff duration?



I agree, I've never liked 10s. And it basically makes slotting IO Procs into these powers a non-option for me.


That's probably true.

So then we just lobby for IO procs and interface to be reduced to 5s and we all go home winners.

That's true, though it does depend on the power in question.

Burn for example is just on the edge at 10s duration, RoF 15s.

Then there is Sleet with its beefy 30s duration.

So some make out well, others not as well.


Fair enough assessment.

I think we agree overall.


Maybe 5s for short duration/short radius/low target cap powers (Burn, Damage Auras)

10s for long duration/large radius/high target cap powers (RoF, Sleet, Hot Feet)


For both regular procs & interface.

It will probably never happen, but it would be nice.

Let's hope Black Scorpion is still reading.

I dropped assault because it is a waste of endurance for a Brute - even WP.

+15% is just a drop in the bucket with Fury + Power Siphon.


You have two power slots left over. If you want actual powers here, and not one slot wonders like Super Speed & the Self Rez - then some more sacrifices will need to be made (starting with the 4th slots in Heightened Senses and Weave)

The DDR is just as important for SD IMO.

While SD gets +HP & +Resistance - I feel those are things that are there for the times when you do get hit, but you will still die to cascading defense failure and want to prevent it by any means possible. The +HP & +Resistance will not be enough to keep you alive in those situations.


That drives me nuts too.

My DM/SD Brute does nearly all of his attacking with his Shield hand.


Actually, the reason you give for KM works very well for Mace, Axe and Broadsword. They all look great with SD.

But I agree on using them with other armor sets.

I agree with you overall, and as a dedicated melee player at heart this Marauder change is extremely welcome.

However, on the hand picked (all Gfriends/Known Players) team I did MoLambda on (original implementation of MoLambda) - We did have two SS Brutes with no issue.

Finished with 3 minutes on the clock.

That doesn't mean you wanted a dozen melees though.

That's a good call on the animation time as it applies to auras, but all of the Rain type powers have a casting time.

Also you can still fire off 2-3 AoEs on some high end builds in the same space of 10s - thus getting more chances to proc.

Its one of the reasons I never bother slotting procs in damage auras (unless I'm wrong, would love to see some math showing that I am, might give me a reason to slot procs).


Obviously the current proc rate is...insane.

I was hoping for something like 5-7s though for rains & auras, RoF for example only has a 15s duration to begin with vs. Fire Ball which I cast every 5s or so (and which has no 10s limit).

I would keep Grant Cover myself.

The added DDR is precious, and its endurance consumption is light enough that it makes a great 1 slot wonder for a Kismet Unique or LoTG 7.5%.

Because the devs wanted to give us one more reason to skip it.

I agree on the clocks, they are very reliable.

I usually end up going Warworks or Clocks on pretty much every character I have - and both of them on certain characters.

I have the damage side T3 Seers on one of my Brutes - and what you describe happens often with the Lt.

It drives me nuts watching her float in and out of combat instead of actually attacking.

Its also a benefit to players whose builds are simply not up to withstanding the added incoming aggro.

Whereas Invuln, SD & WP all have mechanical reasons for their taunt effects - SR doesn't have an specific need to be surrounded by enemies.


Now if only they could turn EA into a set that makes any kind of sense.

Agreed. I skip the rez, I never skip SoW.



I quoted this for the OP because if they are going to listen to someone on DB, this is one of the people they should be listening to.




Barrier, Demonic Aura, SoW & T3 insps can all (separately) put my WP Brute at the SM/L Res cap.


Brutes get more HP, and therefore higher regen.


Barrier is easily one of the top two most popular Destiny buffs, and as I showed above - you can self cap SM/L res when needed.



I think you underestimate the full potential of what a Brute is capable of.

Dull Pain. 3500 HP + any other bag of tricks (Accolade/Destiny/Inspirations) you have is enough cushion vs. Psi damage (which you can also build against).


I was talking about my WP Brute because my WP brute is in no way as tough as an Invuln tanker. Rather than be rude, I'll let you draw your own conclusion.


And the only time he can punch through anything is with Nova Fist - if you're getting caught in Nova fist, that's your fault. Not the fault of your powerset.


These sound like play issues, not powerset issues.

See above for being killed through your T9. Marauder telegraphs Nova Fist so far in advance that you should never get caught in it.


Will it ruin your day?

Do you not carry inspirations? Do you not have capped HP?




I think Rebirth is the right choice, with a great case made for Barrier if you want a mini-god mode that can turn the tide of an entire battle.

But with Rebirth & DP - You should not be having all these issues you are claiming.

My point, since you seemed to miss it completely is that I'm tanking Marauder with less HP (-1000 less), less SM/L Resistances before self-buffing (60% vs 90%) and only a bit more regen (approx 70-80 HP/S vs. what I assume would be around 50 hp/s for an Invuln tanker with capped HP + Rebirth) vs. Marauder since it is an AV fight that doesn't see many adds in 8ft range for RttC.

My point is that your Invuln tanker should never die in this fight unless you or your league does something completely silly.





Barrier is more than its 5% by the way.

5% is the icing, its not something you build around.

Barrier, is up front auto-softcapped Def and Resistance to all damage types and positions for everyone in a 30-60 foot radius (depending on tier and power).

When a battle is going south, that will be overall a better way to save your league imo than Rebirth - a Squishy with high regen is still a squishy - an unhittable, highly resistant squishy on the other hand gets 10 full seconds to go into recovery mode to keep themselves alive - and an additional 20s to be get back into the thick of things before the buff scales down to the weaker but useful back end buff.

Regen, even in massive quantity, only provides a single mitigation aspect which is linear - it wont control high spike damage vs. soft targets.

Barrier on the other hand provides two layers of mitigation which support each other.





I quoted this because I agree with a lot of it.




I don't disagree.


I think SoW & OWTS are more usable, but the thread reads as a lot of calls for buffs and lacked the counterpoint on just how much more ridiculously stronger Unstoppable is vs. SoW or OWTS.

You're right, EM isn't that great.

Here's a quick breakdown, of my opinion, on possible primaries as they apply to Brutes.

SS/SD - Late game blooming combo. Extremely powerful with a high end IO build. You will suffer from massive endurance issues until you either get the body master epic or get T3 or better Cardiac Alpha.

DM/SD - Good survivability, great recovery tool, good ST. Very weak AoE.

FM/SD - Great all around combo, capable of solid ST and solid AoE. Lacks any extra mitigation tools, does not necessarily kill faster than SS/SD. (This comment is for brutes only)

WM/SD - Fun and thematic pairing. Decent ST, good AoE. Good mitigation through KD in crowd control.

I have actually played all 4 of these IOd at L50.

Some other ideas:

KM/SD - Good ST, better AoE than DM with no utility.


My personal opinion is, that at the top end a lot of the Brute primaries are fairly even in terms of ST DPS due to Fury & damage bonus saturation. I ported a lot of my builds to the test server a while back to compare their ST DPS with "unlimited" builds. FM and DM edged SS out a tiny bit, but not so much as to make a massive difference (and DM required fully saturated SD nearly permanent to do it).

If you want something that can attempt a variety of build challenges like no temps/no insps - DM/SD is the way to go.

If you want something that will be a great general play top end build (SFs, teaming, etc) SS/SD and FM/SD would be my first choices.

Welcome to the fury-game.


90% is the resistance cap for Brutes, the same as Tankers.


Here is an overview of Resistance caps, and other assorted information.
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Limits


I don't have a DB/WP build to post, but if you post one using sets that you have a decent budget for, I can give some help tweaking the build.