Dawn

I'll be there for my first Hami raid :P

Uhm... i reeally like Ice/Storm troller, its probably the one with the best control at all, and its probably the one with better graphic effects too.
Troller is my favourite arch and that's why i have almost every possible troller... i have an ice/storm too (very low lvl...only 12) i like it but i think is veeeery veery difficult to play.
Why? lot of toggles, im always without endurance.

Artic Air is amazing, i love it, but its an endurance killer even with 3 end redux on (maybe SOs will make a difference..).
Things get bad if you use snow storm too, and i cant image what happen with steamy mist and hurricane!!! O_o
Firstly, i wanted to get them all but now i've changed my mind.
Im obviously getting stamina but i dont think i'll be able to keep 4 toggles on (artic air, snow storm, steamy mist and hurricane) because thei're endurance killers, expecially artic air and hurricane.
So i've started to think about that and i realized that probably artic air + hurricane is not a good combination.
Why should i send enemies away from me (with the repel/knockback effect of hurricane) if im supposed to confuse them with the air?
that's make no sense.
The only reason i thought to use artic+hurricane togheter is - ACC debuff from hurricane, but i should use frostbite to not send foes away from the confuse effect ><
This would be cool, but im not sure about endurance, i mean: Hurricane + steamy mist + Artic Air on; i see a gropu of foes, i cast frostbite on them, then snow storm + freezing rain and then i go in... but wil my toggles stil be on at that times? lol im not sure...
what do you say? :/
This ice/stom built seems to have a gret control/debuff potential but its so hard to play :/

I have Hot Feet on my Ice/Fire blaster and i like it.

Have you ever tried to slot it with 3 slows?try it.
I did, and when i go in a gropu of mobs they have no escape.
They try to run away but they become so slow.. and while they do the matrix run, i kill them using Fire sword circle and Burn.

Uhm im so confused :/
I didnt know about the sucking MAG on choking cloud but i supposed it use to drain a lot of endurance.
Anyways im still confused about Cinders or choking cloud, because cinders has a good mag but is mono-use and has a looong recharge, plus i already have Aoe hold powers with other controllers so i would liek to take something different; at the same time, chocking cloud is always on and it try to hold foes every 5 seconds but its an endurance drain (expecially if you use hot feet and the 2 radiant debuff too).

So... uhm..... :/

uhm...Cinders > choking cloud?? Really? :/

Isnt choking cloud an holind cloud always active ? (PBAoE toggle)
I thought it was able to hold every foes that come closer, to let hot feet burn them :P

I've just rolled a Fire/Rad, and im not sure about some powers.

First, what do you say about stamina?
AM already gives a good recovery, but Fire/rad set is based on toggles: Hot Feet, Chocking cloud, Radiation infection and Enervating field are all good powers but being toggles, they drain a lot of endurance.
Im planning to get them all, but im not sure if AM will be enough or if i'll need stamina.
What do you say?:P

Hold powers: Fire/Rad can get 4 hold powers!! I obviously have Char, im sure i'll get Chocking cloud and EM pulse.. but what about Cinders?
We know trollers AoE hold powers sucks and they need to be full stlotted to be something decent, i usually take them with other trollers because i think trollers have to get 2 hold powers (well, maybe not Mind and illusion cause they have great fear powers), but does a fire/rad need it? or it becomes helpless?

Smoke: strange power... i think it has his uses but does a Fire/rad need it? /rad already gives a good -acc debuff so i think you're not going to use it as acc debuff but just to reduce perception and go unseen.. is that really helpful, just good or totally helpless?

That's it i guess, any advices is welcome :P

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..it only works on minions?...lol...
what's the gain with that? i think it's the only power in the whole game (coh and cov) that only works on minions..
Why that? O_o why doenst work hoe other powers and doents stun lieutenunts too, and bosses with 2-3 hits?

Congratulations guys!!
I had to come too but.... had to work
sigh.....sigh.... well, maybe next time :/

GZ again!

I would like to come ^^

Still never did it :/

Eternal Breeze, Blaster 50, Ice/Fire/Force Field
Got Hover, Fly, hasten, stimulant, aid self too (and fitness pool of course) and have all accolades powers but archamge (working on it :P)

Thanks for advices ^^

Im still not sure about stamina.. i was planning to get it, but i didnt notice "Conserve power" power in secondary pool.
Dwarf/nova are ok, so the deal is all about Human form.
ATM, with shining shield on and using 3 attacks (GE, RS and the luminous nova from human form) my end really sucks.. but i still need to put end rex on slots, and SO are supposed to give a good reduction...

Do you think Conserve power, with 3 rech could be enough? i could get hasten too to maximize conserve power recharge time.
And, if i get stamina, should i get conserve power too? or it would be redoundant?:P

Hi guys ^^

I've just started a PB and a WS (this last one had been made just to play with my bf...1-2 times per week) and i've noticed PB have a lot of good damaging powers in her human form, but i suppose you cant get all 3 forms (human, nova and dwarf) and give a good numbers or slots to them all :/

So, if i want a strong human form (i want it) i guess i have to drop nova or dwarf.
ATM im just lvl 8 and i've got Nova form, but i would prefer dwarf so i'll probably drop nova if i'll have too.
Can somebody link me or just post here some good human/dwarf and human/nova form for PB?:P if its possible to make a good human/dwarf/nova form then please..let me know!

This power is great but you cant pvp without stamina, forget it.

My Mind/Psy dominator use to have stamina but then i respeced stamy out and i ful slotted Drain psyche (2 acc, 2 end mod, 2 rech) and its GREAT in pve, you can absolutely forget stamina.
Plus, when you use domination you recover all your endurance so..

But PvP is another story.
- Drain psyche is PBAoE, you have to stay close and that's not good.
- Even with 2 Accs, can easily miss a Hero. You dont care about that in PvE, because you use it with lots ob mobs around you so, even if you miss 2 or 3, your recovery will be increased anyways. But if you are fighting a hero, and you miss... you're dead.
- Even with 2 end mod, it doesnt give a great recovery PER foe. Again, if you use it in a group of mobs, you drain from them all so you'll recovery will rocks; BUT if you drain from 1 foe/hero, and if you dont miss him, you'll recovery will be too slow!! not good as stamina!!

For these facts, i think you cant defineively pvp without stamina. DP could still be great, but just as a support buff or a good debuff agaisnt regens.

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Controllers were overperforming in PvP, being able to two or three shot a squishy is overperforming.


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...2 or 3 shot? -.-
When? with what?
I suppose you mean 2-3 shots IF foe is held or under containment effects (and, as we said, we know holding people isnt that easy in pvp)
Im sure my troller wanst able to kill people with 2 containmented propels.. (most powerful attack trollers can use) and she didnt have time to cast it a 3th time, cause hold was already off.

Kill squishy with 2-3 shots is a stalkers thing... i've never notice trollers had the same dmg capability :P

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Not really. While their damage output is smaller that other AT's, it's still better than nothing.

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Exaclty. I have to agree.
If you wanna fight a GM, and there arent brutes, stalkers, MM or Corrupters available, you can decide if get dominators or go to sleep.
You know, dominators are better than nothing, but sleeping is better than dominators.
Its a chain.

Well, mag between blasters and trollers is different but in facts, its not so different.

Dark is right when he says blasters can get 2-3 singles hold powers (2 if they are ice or lighting, and get fire as epic.. 3 if they are ice, get both freeze ray and bitter one, and get fire as epic)... trollers can only dream about that.
They get ONE single hold power, no way. (well, mind get telekinesis too... but i dont know if you can considerate it a single hold power...and its toggle too)
And we know, AoE hold powers have BAD BAD accuracy and LONG LONG recharge, so you can maybe use them to stack hold on bosses, but not in pvp.. no way.
I agree with dark, it never mind if trollers have more mag, they still need 3 holds attack to stop a scrapper/stalker, and FOUR to stop a brute/tanker ---_______---
to not mention hold suppression in pvp... (yeah, you're a troller, you're supposed to CONTROL you're foes like candies... but to hold them you have to try 3-4 times AND if you dont miss, if you dont die, if they didnt eat violet insp, you'll hold them but when hold go off you'll never be able to hold them again for 15 seconds...... you call this control? because i dont.)
Considering all that, i dont really think they were overperforming in pvp... all ATS but dominators (dominators...ahahahah lol) and maybe kheldians were better than trollers... corrupters and defenders were on the same lvl.
I dont think blasters need a nerf, because ice and lighting pool dont have powers that others pools shows, expecially ice really sucks with nova and aoe, compensng with 2 hold powers (..or maybe with one, cause bitter one sucks.)
BUT....lets check our trollers:
They've just got epic nerf, pvp and pve.
In pvp: control powers nerf, containment nerf.
i play trollers and i play scrappers/brutes and blaters too, and i'll never stop sayng i dont understand all this. Meele ATS are overperforming BUT trollers get nerf after nerf...

Im not expecting devs to change their mind, so we'll not have expect any trollers buff... but this situation sucks so i already know what will happens: Blasters will get a nerf soon (doenst needed, but they nerfed trollers, a new balance is needed, so lets make a new nerf) and brutes/scrappers/stalkers will be, one day, nerfed too (and this isnt a bad thing...i repeat, i think they're overperforming) until we'll play no more city of heroes, but city of people.

Same MAG? impossible -.-

Well, i love warwitch so i made a Ice/fire blaster, i love her and she's almost lvl 50 :P

This is the build (lvl 47, atm, so its missing 1 power and 6 slots)


ICE BLAST
ICE BOLT: 2 acc, 3 dmg
ICE BLAST: 2 acc, 3 dmg, 1 rech
FROST BREATH: 2 acc, 3 dmg, 1 range
FREEZE RAY: 2 acc, 3 hold
AIM: 3 rech, 1 tohit
BITTER ICE BLAST: 2 acc, 3 dmg, 1 range
BLIZZARD: 3 dmg, 1 rech

FIRE MANIPULATION
RING OF FIRE: 1 acc
FIRE SWORD: 2 ACC, 3 DMG
BUILD UP: 3 RECH, 1 TOHIT
CONSUME: 3 RECH, 1 ACC, 2 END MOD
HOT FEET: 3 SLOW, 2 END REX


Fly
HOVER: 1 fly
FLY: 3 fly


Fitness:
SWIFT
HEALTH
STAMINA: 3 end mod

Medicine
STIMULANT
AID SELF: 3 heal, 1 rech, 1 interruption

Speed:
HASTEN: 3 rech

Force mastery:
PFF: 3 def
TEMP INV: 3 dmg res, 2 end rex
FoN: 1 dmg res


My doubts are these:

Fire Sword circle: i ABSOLUTELY want it, expecially now its has been improved (+ dmg), and because it works great with hot feet. But i need to drop another power to get it (i know i still have to pick lvl 49 power, but i cant slot it cause lvl 50 slots will go to FoN for sure), and i dont know!! i was thinking to drop Frost breath, so i can full slot FsC... Frost breath is not bad but it isnt great...
what do you think?ç:P any other suggestion?

Hot Feet: im not sure about 3 slow slots.. i can slow hard even purple mobs, but maybe it has a slow cap i dont know about? maybe 3 slow slots are almost the same of having just 2 and it would be better if i leave 2 slow, and replace third with an extra dmg?

lvl 49 power: what the hell should i pick? -.- it has to be a power doesnt need to be extra slotted. im thinking about Ice storm (if i drop frost breath for FsC, i'll loose my best slow attack, so Ice storm could be helpful..) or SS, but im a flyng blaster so...why get SS?
i thought about Burn too, has anybody tried it after fire manipulation buff? it used tu suck...immobilize res didnt worth it

If you have any advices, its always welcome :P

Yeah yeah, please post it ^^

Yeah, i have a thought.
I dont go to pvp zone anymore because dmg capability is now totally helpless while control capability is not that great (old nerf...we already have it).
People want me just to shout bubble (im /ff), and that's not fun.
What can i say... pvp was already umbalanced, now its no more because only scrappers brutes an stalkers go there, cause other ATS totally sucks compareted to them.

..And about PvE and epics power...what can i say...
i've totally dropped my epic powers and i've got things like AS or powers i use to skip from my pools powers.

Its not a common build, and that probably means isnt good, but i was thinking to try it cause i like dark powers and because im tired to only see /regen people, and i dont wanan become a clone.

My dark/dark is only lvl 8, so i cant say much about it yet... but taking a look on dark powers, i've notice dark armour seems to be great because offers all protections (particularly psionic, fear and confuse too) and it has a aoe fear attack too. i just dont like ultimate power (i've never tried, but it doesnt seem great..) and fact you dont get knockback res --__-- so... i think i'll absolutely have to get acrobatic, that means SJ as travel power... no choice..

Talking about primary, it seems cool again (- acc effect rocks, particulrarly in pvp) but it doesnt offer regular build up O_o and again, final power doesnt seem great so...
im still not sure if use this dark/dark scrapper or delete him..
i how powers looks like but i would like to know they're good too :P

yeah... my dom had the same experience...
There's no point to get a dominator to fight AV or GM.
They cant control GM/AV, and they're dmg totally sucks until domination is up but when you can finally activate domination you'll discover you're dmg is decent, but still not good as brutes/stalkers/coppupters ones...

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KB does indeed have a magnitude. However, most of the time it's irrelevant, since usually you're not going to be able to stack KB's to break through protection.

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Uhm..that's what i supposed...its just i dont like that...
I mean, i play scrapper too so im not saying that cause im a troller, but all this protection buff is ridicolous...
Ok, you have protection so you're not gonna fly away when im near you, but repel (or Hurricane) is always on (if you push it on, of course) and is autohit, so, if a scrapper/stalker stay near it for 5-6-7-8-9-10 seconds..come on! they're protection have to break!
Every hit or repel is announced by a "boing" sound, well i think 4-5 boing should be enough to throw away everyones, even with protection... otherwise, protection becomes an immunity (and its too strong) and repel/knockback powers become helpless (..and its not good)

Its always the same thing.. when i play my scrappers i kill trollers too easily, they try to stack holds on me but they are rarely able to stop me before i kill them. i admit it, that's fun.
But when i play my trollers, i understand its not fun because you're dmg sucks (expecially now, with epic nerf -.-), you're hp sucks (and that's ok for a troller) and you're control powers are not that great in pvp, cause you have to stack stack stack stack (bosses needs 2 hold, max) and you have pvp hold suppression too.
I dont think trollers need to be increased (well, epic didnt really want that nerf -.-), but maybe someone else need a nerf.

Just got Repel on my lvl 30 Grav/Kin, i know lot of people dont like repel cause they think is totally helpless but draining endurance.. but i wanted to give it a try.
I like it in PVE, nobody resist it, i can perma hold boss against walls and that's so fun..
in pvp it works well against MM pets, corruptors, dominators, defenders and blasters but it becomes totally helpless with tankers/brutes/scrappers/stalkers.
ATM, my repel has just one slot, so i was wondering if its worth to add 2 knockback enchs..
I know stalkers and co have status res, but you can hold them (stacking 3 holds -.- even with a troller... i think thats too much, but its not the point), so why cant you repel them? i mean, they're powers say "knockback" resistance, not immunity!! so, does anybody know if you can repel them, using 3 knockback enchs?

Bha...
I play 2 trollers (Grav/kin and ill/ff) and i really dont understand this nerf.
As you said, trollers was supposed to have GREAT control against mobs, better control than other AT atleast. but then (i5?) they nerfed control powers and gave containment. So i thought: oh ok, so im not supposed to have that great control, but im supposed to do GOOD DMG, im a little blaster with good control powers. Now they changed they're mind, again.
What are we supposed to do now? DMG suck (except for Fire set, of course) and control powers are not enough good for every set.. take a look on Mind and illusion sets, they still have a GOOD control, grav set seems a joke in that way..(it has good dmg, but still far from fire set)
Im getting tired of this, all these nerf have totally changed some AT

I would love to see a "Time control" set for trollers/dominators

Temporary Stasis (Single hold), Time Stop (AoE hold), Temporary Hole (Summon a pet from future/past), Slow (greatly slow a target), Slow Time (greatly Slow- AoE version) etc etc :P