PB forms question
the good thing about khelds is they can do annything like some say capable of everything master of none ^^ i myself have a 3 form pb and it is true you have to watch your slots but it is doable i will put my build up here l8er
ok this is my build. before the questions come i will explain i have the concealment pool just for my liking i love it. i took superspeed cause i like it 2
oh hasten is nice on a pb. and u definately need stamina. well i do and if ure going mostly human i would advice it even more. and slotting bright nova for tohit buffs is also pretty smart coze nova gives u a nice acc bonus. and for dawn strike it is not a nuke. atleast it doesnt do that much damage. but i find it handy in some situation coze it knocks them back and does some damage 2
and ofcourse it looks very pwetty
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Peacebringer
Primary: Luminous Blast
Secondary: Luminous Aura
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01) --> Gleaming Bolt==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Dmg(17) Dmg(19) EndRdx(21) Range(21)
01) --> Incandescence==> DmgRes(1)
02) --> Gleaming Blast==> Acc(2) Acc(3) Dmg(19) EndRdx(23) Rechg(23) Dmg(45)
04) --> Essence Boost==> Heal(4) Heal(5) Heal(5) Rechg(7) Rechg(7) Rechg(9)
06) --> Bright Nova==> TH_Buf(6) TH_Buf(25)
08) --> Radiant Strike==> Dmg(8) Dmg(9) Acc(11) Acc(11) Rechg(13) Rechg(13)
10) --> Swift==> Fly(10)
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg(12) Rechg(15) Rechg(15)
14) --> Health==> Heal(14)
16) --> Grant Invisibility==> EndRdx(16)
18) --> Incandescent Strike==> Acc(18) Acc(27) Dmg(29) Dmg(29) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
20) --> White Dwarf==> DmgRes(20)
22) --> Reform Essence==> Rechg(22) Rechg(36) Rechg(37) Heal(37) Heal(37) Heal(39)
24) --> Stamina==> EndMod(24) EndMod(25) EndMod(27)
26) --> Invisibility==> EndRdx(26)
28) --> Super Speed==> Run(28)
30) --> Build Up==> Rechg(30) Rechg(31) Rechg(33)
32) --> Dawn Strike==> Acc(32) Acc(33) Dmg(33) Rechg(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(34)
35) --> Restore Essence==> Rechg(35) Rechg(36) Rechg(36)
38) --> Light Form==> Rechg(38) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) DmgRes(40)
41) --> Photon Seekers==> Acc(41) Acc(42) Dmg(42) Rechg(43) Rechg(43) Rechg(43)
44) --> Glowing Touch==> EndRdx(44) Heal(45)
47) --> Solar Flare==> Acc(47) Acc(48) Dmg(50) Dmg(50)
49) --> Quantum Flight==> Rechg(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Energy Flight==> Empty(1)
01) --> Cosmic Balance==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
10) --> Combat Flight==> Empty(10)
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06) --> Bright Nova Bolt==> Acc(6) Dmg(42)
06) --> Bright Nova Blast==> Acc(6) Dmg(40)
06) --> Bright Nova Scatter==> Acc(6) Dmg(40)
06) --> Bright Nova Detonation==> Acc(6) Dmg(17)
20) --> White Dwarf Strike==> Acc(20) Dmg(46)
20) --> White Dwarf Smite==> Acc(20) Dmg(46)
20) --> White Dwarf Flare==> Acc(20) Dmg(48) Rechg(48) Rechg(50)
20) --> White Dwarf Sublimation==> Heal(20) Rechg(45) Rechg(46)
20) --> White Dwarf Antagonize==> Acc(20)
20) --> White Dwarf Step==> EndRdx(20)
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It is possible to have a well slotted tri-form, you just have to be careful. It's also unlikely to be well slotted until late on (I'm talking mid 40s) unless you spread the slots over all three forms as you level but then you just end up being slightly weaker in all three. So either take all three and concentrate on two early or respec to tri-form later on.
Nova is excellent for the first 20 levels because of it's acc and dmg buffs. Slot the AoE first to get the most bang.
Dwarf can be left minimally slotted (3 dmgres in the form) and be a panic button or standin tank but if you prefer tanking, slot up the heal and flare (the flare is very good at keeping mobs on their backs and helping you to survive).
Human form can be done in many ways but all include the big heavy hitter attacks like IS and RS. You can skip stamina if you wish and take conserve energy - using that, form shifting, well placed endred in attacks and blue insps to get by. Hasten - combined with light form and conserve energy - can turn you into a damage powerhouse with no end worries. Well, for three minutes anyway.
The trick to slotting is taking what you need rather than what would be nice. For instance Dawn Srike is not a huge nuke and I find it more a panic (or occasional fun) power. So unless you team with a Kin or someone else that can buff you right up with damage, it's not usually worth having it up a lot. It also has a built in acc bonus and you are also likely to use Build Up first so acc are not as needed. Means you can just three slot it with damage rather than six slot as most nukes are. Light Form is nice three slotted for dmgres but you can run the other shields on top of it and cosmic balance will add more res so you can save yourself slots there. That sort of thing.
You may find you dislike one of the forms anyway and end up bi or even pure human. Try and see.
Thanks for advices ^^
Im still not sure about stamina.. i was planning to get it, but i didnt notice "Conserve power" power in secondary pool.
Dwarf/nova are ok, so the deal is all about Human form.
ATM, with shining shield on and using 3 attacks (GE, RS and the luminous nova from human form) my end really sucks.. but i still need to put end rex on slots, and SO are supposed to give a good reduction...
Do you think Conserve power, with 3 rech could be enough? i could get hasten too to maximize conserve power recharge time.
And, if i get stamina, should i get conserve power too? or it would be redoundant?:P
I used to have stamina in my build and was quite solid but found I didn't always feel like I was contributing as much on teams sometimes. So I dropped the whole fitness pool and picked up hasten and conserve energy instead. Endurance management does become trickier but the payoff was I can go all out for 90 seconds when needed. Blues help and often you'll have someone on the team with RA or something anyway.
Don't forget that Stamina is useless in Nova or Dwarf wheras both hasten and Conserve Energy carry over. Dwarf can be quite End heavy so it's handy there and although Nova has less End problems it's still handy.
That said, my playstyle is usually about being in Nova and using the AoE when on big teams and then dropping to human to finish things off - so I have less problems with human form and endurance. I also have the leaping pool for knockback protection, so technically I could drop that and pick fitness as well if I really wanted.
It really is about playstyle and you can make most builds work if you want.
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The trick to slotting is taking what you need rather than what would be nice.
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I thought this whole archetype was for having fun going thru the game a second time..And being encouraged to teaming.. And I think restrictions in slotting severely hamper my ability in having fun with the character. I'm currently trying to figure out a build for my own PB.. Every time I look at it in the builder I jsut get angry because it doesnt have any AT-defining powers.. Nothing I'd be excited looking forward to..
After 15-odd months my PB is still only lvl 25.
I still think PBs need love from devs.
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The trick to slotting is taking what you need rather than what would be nice.
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I thought this whole archetype was for having fun going thru the game a second time..And being encouraged to teaming.. And I think restrictions in slotting severely hamper my ability in having fun with the character. I'm currently trying to figure out a build for my own PB.. Every time I look at it in the builder I jsut get angry because it doesnt have any AT-defining powers.. Nothing I'd be excited looking forward to..
After 15-odd months my PB is still only lvl 25.
I still think PBs need love from devs.
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Agreed. I got my PB to 50 with a lot of help from the SG. To be honest it wasn't much fun. I started off well enough with a bit of excitement, wondering what this wonderful epic AT had in store. That excitement was very quickly quenched. The Kheldians are weaker than the other AT's, they have just more options but, to avoid them being too strong overall (since they can blast, scrap and tank), they are not really very good at any of them.
They've been given a few little tidbits to make them different, shape changing and flight or teleport (for warshades) at level 1. Apart from that, they're way below average in my opinion.
Personally I wouldn't create another Kheldian, there's too little reward for the extra difficulty in levelling the things. In fact, the reward for playing this AT is a very special enemy that can one-shot it at ridiculous range - until your kheldian reaches higher levels those void stalkers are a real menace.
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Every time I look at it in the builder I jsut get angry because it doesnt have any AT-defining powers..
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Sorry to hear that Hammer.
From levelling Unit Omega (Human/Dwarf PB), I can tell you that it DOES have set-defining powers: the Form changes and the pets (Photon Seekers). All the other powers are copies from various other ATs, but they are all powers that mesh really well together.
With Warshades there is pretty much a cookie-cutter Triform build, with a Heavily slotted Nova form together with double mire and eclipse. However if you want to build a powerful PB there are many ways to do it.
Personally... if I was to level Unit over again, knowing what I know now about the power synergy, I don't think I'd do too much different.
Unit Omega is a Dwarf/Human Bi-former, with emphasis on Self-Heals and Human form attacks. He has slotted Dwarf form for tanking and survivability. He ranks above my Kat/Regen Scrapper and SS/Inv tanker as my "most powerful toon on a team", and I easily find him the most fun to play out of my five level 50s.
Basically If you can survive until level 18 then you don't need Nova form. Human form will be better from then on out for 95% of the gameplay, it hits harder and it gets a further buff from Cosmic Balance. It's also easier to use Heals and Build up if you fight mostly in Human form, and you can run Light form/Acrobatics/Combat Jumping for mez protection. The shields are nice to have but with 3 heals, Dwarf form and Light form they are not "needed" in the slightest.
Sample "levelling from 1-to-50" PvE Build is below. Accuracy Slotting isn't good enough for PvP in this build, and Acrobatics is taken later to get Dwarf form in earlier. Swift + Energy Flight is a good enough travel power, particularly combined with TP from Dwarf form and the GvE jumppack.
In Unit's current build I rarely solo... so compared to the build below I've slotted more accuracy, taken Conserve Energy/Quantum Flight later (post-40) and taken Super Jump/Acrobatics much earlier (14 and 21). I've also had to drop Pulsar due to lack of slots, taking Super speed at 49 instead. Despite being very useful against Carnies, Pulsar was my most underused power on larger teams.
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Peacebringer
Primary: Luminous Blast
Secondary: Luminous Aura
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01) --> Glinting Eye==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(13)
01) --> Incandescence==> DmgRes(1)
02) --> Gleaming Blast==> Acc(2) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(11)
04) --> Essence Boost==> Rechg(4) Rechg(9) Rechg(9) Heal(17) Heal(17)
06) --> Radiant Strike==> Acc(6) Dmg(7) Dmg(7) Dmg(11) Rechg(45) EndRdx(45)
08) --> Hurdle==> Jump(8)
10) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(10)
12) --> Build Up==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(48)
14) --> Hasten==> Rechg(14) Rechg(15) Rechg(15)
16) --> Swift==> Fly(16)
18) --> Incandescent Strike==> Acc(18) Dmg(19) Dmg(19) Dmg(23) Rechg(23) EndRdx(25)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Reform Essence==> Heal(22) Heal(37) Rechg(37) Rechg(37)
24) --> Pulsar==> Acc(24) Acc(25) DisDur(27) DisDur(27) Rechg(29) Rechg(29)
26) --> Conserve Energy==> Rechg(26) Rechg(40) Rechg(50)
28) --> Quantum Flight==> EndRdx(28)
30) --> White Dwarf==> DmgRes(30) DmgRes(31) DmgRes(31)
32) --> Dawn Strike==> Acc(32) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(33)
35) --> Photon Seekers==> Acc(35) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Rechg(45) Rechg(46)
38) --> Light Form==> DmgRes(38) DmgRes(39) DmgRes(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(40) Rechg(40)
41) --> Solar Flare==> Acc(41) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Rechg(46) EndRdx(46)
44) --> Restore Essence==> Heal(44)
47) --> Super Jump==> Jump(47)
49) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(49) EndRdx(50)
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01) --> Power Slide==> Run(1)
01) --> Sprint==> Jump(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Energy Flight==> Fly(1)
01) --> Cosmic Balance==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
10) --> Combat Flight==> DefBuf(10)
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30) --> White Dwarf Strike==> Acc(30)
30) --> White Dwarf Smite==> Acc(30)
30) --> White Dwarf Flare==> Acc(30) Rechg(43) Rechg(43) EndRdx(43)
30) --> White Dwarf Sublimation==> Heal(30) Heal(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(48) Heal(48)
30) --> White Dwarf Antagonize==> Acc(30) Rechg(31) Rechg(50)
30) --> White Dwarf Step==> Range(30)
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Also, don't be afraid to use more than one form in a battle. "Combos" are very useful... there's nothing like decimating a big mob by herding with Dwarf --> Footstomp --> Drop to Human --> Photon Seekers or Build Up + Dawn Strike/Solar Flare.
Build Up + Dawn Strike is not a suicide gambit when you can pop a blue and switch to Dwarf to take the aggro... You also get a 3rd heal in Dwarf form... my PB has better healing ability than my Regen Scrapper!!
Finally, the "Geas of the kind ones" accolade is the best friend that a PB can get. You have mediocre accuracy... Geas has a big +tohit buff. You suffer from heavy endurance use... Geas gives you higher +recovery than an Empath's Recovery Aura. You also have +resistance and Healing based damage mitigation, so are relatively unaffected by the Geas -defence debuff. It's helped me turn the tide against Elite Bosses countless times, and I regularly use it on teams as an endurance buff in AV fights.
So far my Peacebringer hasn't encountered an Elite Boss that it couldn't solo, and its record is soloing 2 Shadow Cyst crystals and a EB at once. My scrapper couldn't do that, and my tanker would have major problems when unstoppable dropped.
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Build Up + Dawn Strike is not a suicide gambit when you can pop a blue and switch to Dwarf to take the aggro... You also get a 3rd heal in Dwarf form... my PB has better healing ability than my Regen Scrapper!!
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That can be useful but it's worth remembering that the human-dwarf animation takes a week and in that time you're still a fragile human. My PB has been dropped while changing to dwarf on a number of occasions. You'll also drop back to human if you run out of endurance.
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Build Up + Dawn Strike is not a suicide gambit when you can pop a blue and switch to Dwarf to take the aggro... You also get a 3rd heal in Dwarf form... my PB has better healing ability than my Regen Scrapper!!
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That can be useful but it's worth remembering that the human-dwarf animation takes a week and in that time you're still a fragile human. My PB has been dropped while changing to dwarf on a number of occasions. You'll also drop back to human if you run out of endurance.
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I've been mezzed a few times when going from Human to Dwarf, but never after a Dawn Strike. The Knockback from it should give you plenty of time to change...
I don't think it's that much of a big deal; I can count on one hand the number of times I've been hit with a mez when going from Human to Dwarf on my PB. It's usually going from Dwarf (with a mez on me I didn't notice) to Human that gets me! The Human --> Dwarf animation isn't quite instant, but it's less than two seconds long and the mez protection kicks in as soon as you see the energy "BAMF!".
The endurance thing is definately an issue, but it's the same case with most tankers and Dwarf form takes relatively little endurance to run. I find that -recharge and -speed are more bothersome to my dwarfie really. You've still got Light Form for those nasty end drainers anyway...
Hi guys ^^
I've just started a PB and a WS (this last one had been made just to play with my bf...1-2 times per week) and i've noticed PB have a lot of good damaging powers in her human form, but i suppose you cant get all 3 forms (human, nova and dwarf) and give a good numbers or slots to them all :/
So, if i want a strong human form (i want it) i guess i have to drop nova or dwarf.
ATM im just lvl 8 and i've got Nova form, but i would prefer dwarf so i'll probably drop nova if i'll have too.
Can somebody link me or just post here some good human/dwarf and human/nova form for PB?:P if its possible to make a good human/dwarf/nova form then please..let me know!