Dark_Blasphemy_EU

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Thing is though, misunderstandings happen, and even decent people can get ratty as hell. Some guy was teleporting my only teammate out of our base two nights ago, so in return, I tele-droned him, then said why I did it. It was supposed to essentially be an in-character gesture. A show of force if you will, "if you do that, i'll do this", to try keep things a little calmer (because my teammate was getting a bit fired up about it.) Naturally, the reaction to my teledroning was frustration, anger, an arguement in tells, then me putting him on ignore as it went too far. Later on, another villain asked me to remove him from my ignore list, he was -going- to apologise but I cut him off and basically said : "[dung] happens."

Its hard to put into words, but in most cases its easier than you think to tell apart those who just lost their temper, and those who are out to make your PVP experience an annoying misery.

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This is the post I read of you. You obviously say dozens of times that you were being base-snatched, and those dozens of times i just seem to miss that information. Maybe I'm just short sighted...

Or maybe u should reconsider who is running in circles. I did say I believe that teledroning is fair to get an advantage and then u ask again why I don't think that. What I dont see is the part where you say that guy was snatching your base in your post. Would you please be so kind to point me where is it?. He had to be very big though, to distinguish who was tping among all the snatchers, gratz for ur good sight.

It's true, I said that if someone teledroned me given the information I read in that first post, I would try and drone him to mobs, and I keep it. Did u forget to say that that guy was basesnatching your team or maybe you found that reason suited your previous argumentation and decided to implement it as if it had been there from the very start?. I really don't care though. I'm really not gonna start a post full with caps, bold text and '!!!' signs as if I was remarking something obvious to a small child, or to someone dim, soz. Not my way

U SR git!! lol. We know u prefer SR to regen, we know u prefer /elec blappers to /nrg blappers... but regen is no doubt mu easier to lv than SR, but a much like thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis . Of course that doesnt mean a SR cant survive where a regen dies, but that is very situational.if u want to level quick go regen

PD Ur nuts, but we still have to give it a go in arena

Something i would change would be drop agile and dodge (they only give def bonuss when u r injured) and get a travel even if's just to avoid being killed, having already hasten, i'd go either for ss+cj or tp foe+tp (remember tp can still be used when u r held, too). That travel would make slyfe's play much safer IMHO

Nor the second highest dmg attack in ma (think it's crane kick IIRC) can compare to disembowel, so... , i must be losing something. Plus in a scrapper you can slot both 1 acc 3 dmg 2 rech for pve and pvp, provided that u pick focused accuracy, so u can have a nice chain with 2-3 powers

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What's the use of that power then in pvp?

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Extracting individuals from their teams, giving you some unhindered time at taking them out. Whether or not their team catches up with much time to help them is another matter. It can also be used to pull one of a teams damage dealers/healers/mezzers away from them in the middle of a fight, whilst it does occupy one of your own people, the delay can seriously help you win a fight, especially if you're fighting on an elevated piece of land, and the teleported player only has SS. Teleport Foe has quite a few good uses in PVP, but as the name says, it is used to bring an enemy to you.

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Then if i understand it properly, the guy that was tping ur friend was using it as u say, but what was the point of teledroning him for that? It was not to get any advantage, as u just say 'Some guy was teleporting my only teammate out of our base two nights ago, so in return, I tele-droned him'.

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...teledroning then, as it seems the only thing that seems fair pfor you?


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Im not sure how you've come to that conclusion.

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Well if u say tp foe is not fair to tp someone towards ur team, and its not fair to tp to mobs, but u teledrone, i took its the only fair use u find for it

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I was asking why droning induced such frothing fits of "OMG LAME" when the very same people have no worries about repeatedly base-snatching-to-instagank

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IMO, basically when u tp foe towards your team u do it to get a kill, not for simply make the guy have to travel all the way back from hospital. Teledroning could be discussed when u try to attack roght after that teledrone, to take profit of that action. Teledroning and staying in ur base gives no gain to u or ur team, just annoys the other peep. Besides, if someone tps a guy from his base, he wont have to travel a lot to get where he was, unlike the guy that was near ur base."

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And if I call a couple of friends it is being a bully, but you helping you friend isn't?

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Thats correct, because what you were threatening to do (if people faught back against you), was to deliberately try to get them into debt, and not just try to do that on your own, but ENSURE debt, by calling in a debt-squad. That is very much bullying in my eyes, 'valid' tactic or not. If everyone who had a fair number of friends with good builds decided to behave like this, threatening those who fight back with the ensurance of debt, then PVP would die off unless the devs came to a new decision based on debt-squads.

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I agree with u that debt in zones prevents many from pvp'ing there, and yeah i think it should be a debt free area -thus a xp free area- (but also a drone free area)... and what i said is not a threat: If i tp a guy to gain bounty, and i get teledroned for that, but yet, u dont attack, means u just teledroned me to annoy me. If after tping ur friend, u tped me to ur team instead of teledroning me, i would think its to gain bounty, and i would just type a 'lol, that was my move! ' or something like that in broadcast while i travelled back to my group .

Well in terms of the easier to level, no doubt it's regen.

But for PvP, im not that sure. I'd deffo have more problems with any of my trollers against an SR than against a Regen. Nevertheless, blasters would have more chances against an SR... tanks, i really dont know which would be tougher for them

Hmm three weeks? Bah he's leaving cos he is scared of me (bet 3 or 4 more posts in this direction and we'll make him come in rage to pwn us )

o_O ma almost as tough as bs in scrappers????

We could argue about secondary effects ma has, all the advantages kb and mainly stun have, the recharge and end required for ma is much lower than in bs too, or how annoying it can be having to redraw your sword... but honestly, saying that ma deals 'slightly' less damage than bs is, at least, arguably...
I wouldn't know in stalkers, as i have never played an ma one, but in scrappers, a critic BU+Headsplitter one-shots my troller; a critic BU+ Eagle's claw followed by Crain Kick won't faceplant me.

Each type has it's own advantages, but in pure simple damage, BS is not only 'a little' stronger than MA

Work permitting... and 3vP, hope there's no 3vp fight at time hami raid is expected

So if actually tp someone that is camping in the base so that we can kill him and get bounty is unfair? Well i can't see more fairness in the use of tp foe than that. What's the use of that power then in pvp? teledroning then, as it seems the only thing that seems fair pfor you?

And if I call a couple of friends it is being a bully, but you helping you friend isn't? Well AFAIK, it's called team pvp for a reason, and it's IMHO just as fair that u help ur friend, as it is that some other friend come and help me (besides i pointed out it would be a couple of kinetics, so obv the reason in this context would be that they gave me protection to tp foe .

About your original post, you said you would teledrone someone that is tping ur friend out of base so that his team could kill him. They tp to get the bounty, you tp because your friend has been tp'ed . Teledroning somebody, unless when it is to take benefit from a tactical situation as the one commented before gives u advantage. Teledroning because you are annoyed since your mate has been tped, doesnt.

Well that's my point of view, of course, not necessarily an indebatable truth.

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You gain nothing by giving someone else debt, but droning is a very effective way of taking out high-threat targets when the enemy force is camping in heavy force outside your base.

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If that's the reason, its a valid tactic, but IIRC in ur first post you said you would drone tp someone because he was tping your freind away from base. If it is to take advantage in a situation, that's another thing imo.
And calling some friends does have nothing to do with being 'da man' . It has more to do with wanting bigger battles taking place, rather than having to wander for minutes to find a possible target. In this case i said id bring a couple of kins to avoid being tped away tho

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No point going flight and tp pool for PvP as an em stalker its plain silly imo. Especially if your getting air sup

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Have u checked elerith's videos at www.thatslyfe.com? He's a EM/nin with fly and tp (and air sup), and he does very well imo

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Not to mention double-stacking Rin is very useful against trollers/doms. Stacking 3 holds is easy and common, stacking 6 is another issue.

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Stacking 3-4 holds is easy?? or else u dont have travels to hit the road once u have attacked, or i'm missing something. When u attack u should be out of range without giving a chance to attack back, 1 hold or ranged attack if u push me, but a quick tp or ss should be safe enough imo

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Debt apart it's perfectly comparable, yes.

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Teleporting out of the base (considered safezone) :
Annoying, but valid tactic.

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Not really, if it has been to just annoy because someone has tped ur mates away from their base. No gain there but the joy of annoying that person.

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being TP'ed, higher level characters seem more likely to resist/evade the effects

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Well, that if u get some powers with resistances to tp... which are not many. Things will get better in i7, but some ATs will still be completely vulnerable

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'revenge against revenge where we were being a-holes' is just a jerk tactic.

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As is revenge itself. U can't really consider that 'revenging' in ur case would be fair, but if the other replies he is a jerk. Bearing in mind that the only reason why u would have drone tped him was to annoy, I find natural that u r stroke back (violence only generates more violence and bla bla )

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and if anyone does anything about it you'll run and cry to all your mates and come and throw bricks through our windows? Because thats what it comes down to really.
"Oh noes, a minor setback in response to our ganking! Call all friends and get them debt!"

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Debt? who cares about debt once u got some 50s . Its teaming in pvp (if i want duels i go to arena) what i look for . By bringing some peeps I know clearly that the other side will do the same, and nothing more fun than a huge battle in the zones (yeh without drone nor npc tps )

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About avenging an avange, i think its perfectly done, too. U teledrone someone as a 'mess with me/my mates and u'll get this' message. It's just fair if the other replies.


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No its not a "mess with my mates and i'll mess with you", its a "if you gank us, we wont take it sitting down". If you want to be the first step in debt-wars and/or killing PVP, be my guest, its not like people are going to be able to stop you. After all, thats what this part of the convo is orbitting around, you want to be able to fight without actually having any resistance, right?

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TP droning just to annoy kills pvp as much as NPC tp imo. Its not the debt what annoys you, it's someone abusing of a tactic that requires no skill and the guy doing it thinks he is 'da man' for it. U are not better than the one messing with ur mates if u take ur particular revenge. U just add more woods to the fire

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And as i said, it's all just good fun .


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Deliberate debt isnt everyones idea of fun, pal. You still havent said what the screaming fuss is about teledroning, that makes you want to get debt involved.

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Well think i did before, but the fuss is doing something just to annoy. If ur friend is tped away from the base to be killed and get bounty there's some gaining involved. 'Revenging' by drone tp means no gain for you, it's just a non-skilled way to annoy, and that is not the fair play nor the sportmanship u advocate for, IMO.

Debt apart it's perfectly comparable, yes. Besides, devs have said over and over it's not griefing (although i particularly disagree, but they set the rules, not me), and despite of the amount of requests, debt has not been taken from the zones. So if it can be done, and what is more, it has been defended by devs, what's so bad doing it?

About avenging an avange, i think its perfectly done, too. U teledrone someone as a 'mess with me/my mates and u'll get this' message. It's just fair if the other replies.

And as i said, it's all just good fun . The best two macro-battles that ive had started like that actually people calling their mates and contacts to help and then the other group doing the same, then those friends calling their friends, and so on... best fun i've ever had in the zones by far (and now i know i could call those peeps i fought against if i need help, lol)

If u teledroned me because i was teleporting ur mate out of base i would call a couple of kin friends to safely tp u and ur friend to the nastiest mobs around Its just pvp, and sooo fun

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I think I saw a film about this once...

Then the big stupid guy comes to your house, and slices you up like cheese... either that or you have to defeat Darth Vader and the Death Star... who knows, films are so confusing nowadays, I can never remember what I'm watching.

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Provided it has boobies and 'splosions, all is good, right?

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Isn's saying bobbies petitionable? *Reading again the petition thread*

afaik, stalkers dont need yellows to see thru invis or superior invis when they are SR, wouldnt know about the rest tho. Any player with tactics can see thru, and so does any scrapper/tanker with focused accuracy

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I'd say if it's ur first troller, go Illu/storm, best soloing and teaming average imo

I think that bullshitting is a part of the game, just like when playing any other game with ur friends. I've never gotten angry in the zones, mainly good laughs at those broadcasts

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I dont play these kind of battles in the Arenas (yet) so am not au fait with the dynamics but wouldnt a decent Granite tank with the presence pool be a boon? 3 taunts and damn near unkillable.

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Except that you can just run away from a Granite tank and there's no way in hell they'll be able to keep up with you. Of course, if you have a kinetics on your team with 3 runs in SB it's a different story.

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just jump on a box and laugh at the granite tank

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Tp foe?

Invis is gimped in pvp, unless u play a stalker

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and u missed red puton from ur alt list


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Huh? I dont have any alt called red puton tha's not an alt of mine, mate

Well, u cant expect a fair fight in the zones, nor can expect to be equalled numbered. Sometimes heroes outnumber villains and other times it's otherwise. If u want fair numbers u should go to the arena instead.
About the broadcasts, well i never been bothered about it, really. In fact it's a good way to make others come out from base , and besides some of the ones known to be fair PvPers do it too to find someone to play against (hello plight ). In short words, it's a game so dont get mad cuz of it