DMystic

If your going to respond to the listing of groups, keep up with the existing list.

In my very post that you quoted I put in 4 of the groups you listed here, I had said Croatoa x4, while I didn't list the individual groups(as I couldn't recall the names) I did account for them. Those being Tuatha,Cabal,Fir Bolg and Red Caps so lets take your 23 and remove those Duplicates....

As I was gong through this and removing duplicates somehow it went below the original 11 this was responding to. So for simplicity lets take this list and consider it the starting point after removing incorrect entries.

we have 22 entries here. now to remove the erroneous ones

Council Vampyri and Warwolves are created through scientific experimentation with genes and Nictus infusions and are defintiely not Magical. 21 groups

Ghost of Scrapyard is the only magical thing about the Scrapyarders and a single enemy does not define a group as a whole. 20 Groups.

Spectral Pirates don't have any different characteristics from the other ghosts in the game, other than the location they spawn and the hats they wear, I'm considering them a sub division of the ghosts group. 19 groups

Skulls and Hellions were categorized separate from Magic in the list originally posted by Memphis Bill, these can go either way.

W.I.S.D.O.M. has 2 other characters in it though they haven't appeared in game yet. While I can't discount the natures of Foreshadow and Mirror Spirit I don't think there is enough here to put WISDOM one side or the other. 18 Groups.

Snakes were discounted as a magical group in Memphis Bills post and I have to agree with his reasoning. 17 groups

Praetorians as a group have too many subfactions to count either way. If we wanted to we could break it down into the individual groups but I think that would actually lower the overall percentage of magical enemies when the non magic ones also get added in.(IDF, Warworks, Seers,PPD etc.)

So 16 groups with a few groups being mixed.

Not the alarming amount people make it out to be, considering the 50 or so groups covered in this thread.

16 out of 50+ is not a large amount, though this thread and the post I'm responding to show a bit of a perception flaw or general misinformation on the part of the OP.

And Then if you did roll a Stalker you usually skipped the Tier 1 or Tier 2 power from your primary.

Oddly with the changes now Placate is on this list. It's either put off or skipped

They're not the same.

I think it's safe to put Wailers in the magic group as the story lines around them involve magic. Heck part of the reason the Giza was designed the way it was, involves creating a magical barrier to keep the Wailers out.
Basically acknowledge that their abilities are natural to them, but since the story lines all involve magic it's safe to out them in the Magic category for purposes of this thread.

While that certainly makes sense, due to how co-op content has been written, Villains have been feeling like they're just tagging along on hero content. So much so that in SSA 7 Vilalins actually get the line "fine, I'll go save the world again"

This is a problem, in that it just shows how bad things are. Yes in comic books there are times when Villains have to team up with Heroes. Those stories are special in that they are rare. However here it happens too often.

While I understand making co-op content is good financial sense, I'm annoyed by the fact that it is always hero themed content. To me it seems lazy. We all know that it's easier to write stuff with a heroic slant. We also know it's just as easy to create a scenario where Villains have to team with Heroes or be destroyed/loose the planet/dimension/ what have you.

What I would like to see is co-op content where heroes have to team with the Villains because the macguffin/plot device can only be used by the villains or is the villains specialty. Yes it's harder to write that scenario and maintain realistic motivations but I think something like that could do a lot to even out the TF/SF disparity.

Now I'm not gonna say you're wrong, but your argument is a bit flawed. Humans have many aspects, Superman represents the Pinnacle of Human Strength in a physical sense. Batman is a fair representation of the pinnacle of the Human Mind. Mind and Muscle, different aspects with a different representations.


As for the topic at hand, I'm going to use my sister as an example. She has no interest in comics whatsoever, she out right hates Ironman but is interested in seeing Avengers. She also wants to see Batman but has reservations about Bane being the villain and Anne HAthaway as Catwoman.

So she wants to see one with a character she definitely hates, but has reservations about the one with characters she's neutral on.

Now apply that same thinking to the general populace and Avengers has a lot more going for it than Batman does.

Yeah couple of disagreements.

Longbow Wardens have been presented as Mutants not Magic.
The game universe presents Psionics/Psychics as Mutant so Syndicate wouldn't be magical

Now adding more

Carnival Mutant/Magic mix
Malta are Natural/Tech
Croatoa groups 4x magic

so 42 groups now
Magic: 11

No you can't be an incarnate until lvl 50. NPCs do not follow the same rules as PCs though.

If I remember things correctly CI should be jumping if the target hit dies,however if the new target dies before the chain hits, it stops jumping. Which could account for the delay (time allowed for a new target to die breaking the chain)