Coyote_Seven
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Now that I think about it some more, the devs could totally make a rogue faction out of the combined hero and villain markets.
Right now, they're still pretending to be different, what that you still have the Black Market trucks in the Isles, and the Wentworths buildings in Paragon. They could both be replaced with something a bit more dashing, says I. There could be rogue-only contacts for them, with missions and arcs where the main concern is keeping those trade routes open and keeping both Longbow and Arachnos out of their affairs.
Maybe you could even have the occasional "rogue with a heart of gold" thing going on, where some Evil McNasty villain has absconded with a doomsday device for their own nefarious purposes. Of course you're just going after them because they stole it from the warehouse or failed/refused to pay you (because they're evil!), or something. Then after you defeat the bad guy, the Longbow come in and try to arrest you and take the doomsday weapon for safe keeping, and then you get to do your tricky magic to get away from them.
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While I'd agree that there are plenty of NPC groups already in the game that could count as already being of the vigilante persuasion, I don't think there's really any group that could be seen as entirely rogue.
I'd think that a rogue group would be just as willing to work with Longbow as it would with Arachnos. They'll do whatever job, as long as it pays. Neither side would fully trust them, of course. But they would be great to use as intermediaries between black and white.
Some rogue groups might also be interested in keeping both both black and white fighting against each other. Especially if, say, they enjoy the killing they make in selling weapons and equipment to both Arachnos and Longbow...
Oh hey, you know, this almost describes what the Crey corporation does. Only the countess Crey is a bit too much of a card carrying villain, and that whole "Paragon Protector" thing they got going. But they totally got the "selling weapons to both sides" thing going on. -
There's the ticket. Not only do we need Rogue and Vigilante contacts, we also need Rogue and Vigilante NPC groups.
I can totally imagine TFs and arcs where a certain rogue group will help you in one instance, and turn against you in another, simply because they will do whatever is in their best interest (and whatever pays more!), and they are like this both for heroes and villains (and well, for vigilantes as well).
EDIT: As well, Rogue and Vigilante contacts should take advantage of the fact that those PCs can traverse between Paragon City and the Rogue Isles. At least in special instances, since I wouldn't want an arc that keeps you schlepping from Peregrine Island to Grandville and back again with each and every mission.
EDIT the second: Oh yes, and Nemesis himself should be an unlockable Rogue contact, located in some tucked away corner that's very hard to find. I just think that's very apropos.
EDIT the third: Striga Isle should be opened up to all factions, given its nature and the way characters get there, and should be a hub of activity for both mid-level Rogues and Vigilantes. It could also be used a way to travel between the Rogue Isles and Talos Island. -
It makes me wonder if the ESRB will be just as obsolete in uh... 50 years.
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Quote:The devs hate tourists.Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Since the benefit of being a "tourist" (as the "grey" alignments are called by devs) is supposed to be access to the other side's content, they should probably actually have access to the content, and not have it locked away behind forced teaming. After all, not everyone can team all the time.
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Quote:1: I can get 20 million from the market in a day, quite easily.Originally Posted by Jophiel
Unfortunately, you can only "buy" one A-merit per day and you have to spend 20mil for each exchange.
How much that matters is up to the individual but collecting merits via rogue alignment missions and exchanging them isn't really comparable to just earning them the traditional hero/villain route.
2: I still have a goal of attaining 9999 reward merits (on my rogue MM).
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Quote:Now that is a very good idea!Originally Posted by Tormentoso
That said, I'm aligning my characters by what feels right for them. My Rogue is collecing reward merits all over the place. Once the time is right he'll become full fledge villain, cash into V merits and IOs, and return to the grey area. Seems a very Rogue-ish thing to do, so it fits his character.
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Quote:I disagree. They should be equal, yes. But they should not be better than. Right now, A-Merits are much much better than going either rogue or vigilante. So either they should have A-Merits too, or they should be able to buy Purple and PVP recipes with reward merits (and given a lot more reward merits for completing morality missions), or some such thing.Originally Posted by Sailboat
My impression is that, speaking strictly in terms of pure powergaming, the gray alignments can do anything and the other two are "trapped" on one side. If the rewards were equivalent, players would always be a gray alignment unless they are choosing their alignment purely for concept (and then they'd say they were being punished for not being gray). So, logically, the rewards for staying in a black or white alignment (for want of a better term) have to be equal to or better than the entire other alignment's content.
At the very least, they could throw them a bone and make it easier for rogues to move around Paragon City. The improvements to the PTA are just not enough. Not when all the heroes are using their O-Portals and base teleports.
Though oftentimes better than master of one.Quote:Flexibility almost always comes with a price over specialization -- the very cliché that starts "Jack of all trades" ends with "master of none."
Right now, the differences in rewards for either staying hero/villain, or going rogue/vigilante are too great.Quote:Whether that price is too high or not is debatable -- I tend to think that (again, in terms of power-gaming mentality) it should be a pretty good reward; if it's even close to equivalent people will choose flexibility.
And of course the reason I'm exclusively addressing powergaming mentality is that the OP is not a complaint about roleplaying or flavor, but strictly about value of reward in monetary equivalence. Powergaming mentality. -
I think both rogues and vigilantes should get their own A-Merits, and their own place to spend them just as heroes and villains do.
I suppose if you want to be fair to heroes or villains (who don't get access to the other sides' zones), you could make rogue and vigilante merits worth slightly less than hero or villain (as in: a LOTG 7.5% would cost say, 3 instead of 2, or something).
When a rogue or vigilante reaffirms their alignment, they should get a choice as to whether they want 50 reward merits, or one A-Merit. As for trading merits for A-Merits, heck, a rogue should be able to trade in Vanguard merits for A-Merits, and maybe slightly more inf! In fact, a rogue should be able to trade in reward merits and Vanguard merits (and no inf) for an A-Merit.
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Quote:Actually, first you have to watch Battlestar Galactica, and then the Caprica prequel series.Originally Posted by Starflier
Bah, I've got Matrix prequels.
I just run the 4 Terminator movies before hand for a great big disjointed movie arc.
Explosions!
Then you watch Tron and The Terminator.
Then you watch T2, and then you watch Tron: Legacy.
Then you watch The Matrix, and it all falls so perfectly into place. -
Quote:Can't get no sleeves for my records.Originally Posted by Defenestrator
I consider it to be the worst song on "Brothers In Arms," which is an amazing piece of music by Dire Straits.
Can't get no laces for my shoes.
Can't get no fancy notes...
...on my blue guitar.
Can't get no antidote for blues. -
Quote:Buncha Canadian Idiots.Originally Posted by Le Blanc
You just watch that dirty little mouth mister! There is too much senseless "Clampett Crimes" in this country!
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Without this song, we would not have had this other song. Stupid Canadians.
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Quote:Indeed, Furries were one of the earliest adopters of the Internet. FurryMUCK first came online in 1991, and is still running. Furries are everywhere, and you can't escape them.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That battle is already lost
Be afraid. Be very afraid. -
I predict that the devs will address PvP issues again at the same time that they give some love to Super Group Bases.
I'm also still waiting for the release of the ColecoVision Super Game Module and Duke Nukem Forever. Any day now!!! -
I got my 9999 candy canes on my main, so I'm just dandy now!
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Quote:Perhaps it is the same technical problem that prevented the markets from being merged!Originally Posted by Impervious Fist
So, I just got my Vigilante to become a full blood Villain. Guess what I see? Mender Ramiel becomes active again, and I get 2 Pilgrims in my contact window (the hero one active because I figured I could do the arc from redside, I was wrong) . I'm pretty sure everyone else have had this problem as I can't see why it would be just me. This ENTIRE thing could most likely be fixed if Oro was just merged. Though I figured there is some sort of technical problem preventing that...
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Quote:That team leader sounds so familiar to me. Who could it be????Originally Posted by Rowdy
I'm normally not the type to start a thread but as of the events last night, I felt the need make this one. I figured someone had to be able to relate to this, so here goes. I'd just been recruited to start an STF last night. Things were going smoothly until right before we began the leader says to me...
Him:"You don't have any IO sets on you?"
Me: "No, just SOs atm"
Him:"Are you sure that you want to do this TF then? It's gonna be really hard and you're gonna get owned alot."
Me: "Umm, I'll be just fine."
And he actually had to nerve to say this to me
Him:"Hmm okay, I'll let you join us, but please make sure that you don't slow us down."
I could MAYBE understand where he was coming from if I were the lead tank for the TF, but I was a freaking Ill/Kin!
Oh, it gets worse. Because I didn't have my SOs, the guy felt the need to "coach" me throughout the TF. When I'd forgotten to give the Granite tank his daily dosage of SB, he sends me a tell saying...
Granite: SB Plz (team chat)
Leader: Please don't forget to SB him!
Me: Dont worry I got him
Leader: But you didn't have him. A good kin is always aware when SB is fading
Me: Umm, okay.
Don't worry, it gets better
We're fighting Ghost Widow and the tank is advised to stay in melee range with her while the rest of us use our ranged attack so she cant heal off of us. I then decide to let loose my PA to help get more damage in on her. His response
Leader: What are you doing!? Why'd you summon them? Now she's gonna heal off of them
Me: Huh?
Leader: You're phantom army!
Me: They're decoys. She can't heal off of them so it doesn't matter
Leader: Yes she can, I've seen it before!
Me: Oh really?
Leader: Yes really, now please unsummon them.
Me: Alright, if you say so.
Fortunately, we managed to beat the TF in a little over an hour, but MAN did I want to just cyberslap that guy. "Sigh" Anyways, am I the only whose had to deal with players like this? If not than please share your story.
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Quote:These five dudes should be put in the game somewhere, just for spite.Originally Posted by Positron
I'd love to have one of these on my desk!
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I think I've started to get even more addicted to these mashups! It's like you get to listen to two songs at the same time.
Don't Stop, Just Dance. -
As long as money has power, we will always have corporate empires.
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So now that there's less and less setting these different channels apart, who's to say that there won't be some kind of 'cable channel crash' some time in the future, when they all become even more alike than they are now, and people start to realize that not any one of those channels is any better or worse than the other?
I say when that happens, we'll end up back with niche channels all over again, after what's left of the old ones finally curl up and die. It seems to be a common theme with human behavior. -
I have an affinity for this Peter Gabriel/Gorillaz mashup.
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Quote:Devs hate players?Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
In short, I don't trust the devs to allow there to be standard content anymore, or even to allow the new content to demonstrate we're supposed to be growing in power beyond heavy handed novelty missions like the first mission of the Ramiel arc.
I'm sure they won't be happy until each and every person who plays this game gets so frustrated that they rage quit and cancel their subs. That way they can all get to retire early! -
Quote:When geeks argue, they're all the Comic Book Guy.Originally Posted by QuietAmerican
People, people, people, this is TRON we're talking about here. No need to argue. Share the love that it was even made!
Oh wait, its TRON! and we're geeks,
...right...
Carry on.
"Worst. Sequel. EVER!"
(For the record, I thought it was awesome and I must see it again, but I don't think I want to go into what I think here on this board. You Comic Book Guys would just get filled with yet more nerd rage!)