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  1. ConFlict

    Defenders in pvp

    Ceratin builds are completely vialble in team pvp and some can duel. Alot can be laughable but it really comes down to a set and situtation basis to judge it. The one thing defenders still lack is either and escape or +perception power in their epics. Once that is fixed they will be become even better.
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    I think the only issue lies in your (and anyone elses) thinking you have the ability to know what is best for all. The best "power" for a job sure. The best slow or debuff power in a particular set.. sure speak on it, but assuming that one set/set combo is best regardless of the person behind the toon is a bad way to go about coaching. Such practice HAS created more bad players than good players since I13. As you say... don't shoot the messenger
    This is far from the truth. If someone comes looking for the best blaster build the answer is psi em. Even if the player in question may be the best son/mm ever he would still be better on a psi em. The best is the best for a reason. To think otherwise is absurd. Now mind you we do get a ton of really bad people on psi ems and other fotms but that is user error. And there is no advice we can here to fix bad. And no telling them to be a flying tp foeing grav psi dom or a cage the spike sonic defender is NOT an option.


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    They took heal spamming away and it seems people forgot how to think.... The "Anti-Spiking" I refer to is no code but a practice of preventing your less able bodied teammates form getting spiked repeatedly.

    Literally the only thing that stop a good clean spike is a lightning fast heal + hiber or phase. There is nothing you can do or teach to stop a spike in this version of pvp in zone. In arena evasion still has a place but in zones its no go. To think otherwise is also absurd.


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    Mac might downplay the effectiveness of -damage powers or -perception powers or AoE attacks when one toon is using it, but 3 or 4 of those powers coordianated has been shown to work time and time again.


    -Damage powers are great and I have never heard mac down play them. The truth is though they are usually great for aspects other than the -damage. benumb and he come to mind instantly and there are others. The only decent aoes in the game are mezzes and ball lightning. And a team spamming aoes could more than likely have dropped a single target or two in the time they managed to mildly antogonize 3 or 4 targets with aoe spam.



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    We promote phase and hibernate because we gave up on the idea of defensive teaming (so to speak) Every toon MUST fend for themselves right? You're saying the Devs made us play this way?

    Without phase and hiber in zone you will die a lot more than with it. And until pvp becomes about something more than k and d they will be pretty much mandatory. And trust me this is completely on the devs changes on this one. Pre i13 I had a total of 2 toons with phase(both stalkers) and 2 with hiber(one was an ice tank). Post change I have a total of 2 pvp toons without either. And I hate it. I used to play with no 'escape' power and no heals on almost every toon I played regualarly and I would prefer to still play that way. Sadly that is no longer an option and not of my choosing. Unless I want to choose to be grossly more ineffective.




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    I PvP. Meaning I fight against players not toons. My /SR gets stronger at lower HP so I built for it.... lower HP attracts PvPers to try and get a kill. I stand in NPC mobs.... My defense is too much for most of NPCs in zones and doing so builds fury fast while attracting players to try and get an easy kill. I aggro. I get players to group up and try to attack me... in the process, smart teammates use me to their advantage.

    Show me a brute with no taunt that stands in npcs and I will show you the kick button pretty damn fast. Its not hard to take taunt and learn your role. Kinda funny seeing you are the dude preaching role based pvp that you don't even do it right when you get the chance.


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    For anyone who agrees with this statement please keep in mind that the game has a design based on AT roles

    Please keep in mind that pvp has absolutley no correlation with pve. And even if it did by that theory super teams that trivalize the game should work in pvp.

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    These roles are described on the character creation screen btw. Maybe it's time we all took a step back and started over with these thing in mind. If a damage spamming Blaster, scrapper , or stalkers s the role yo widsh to play, cool... but we should stop telling ourselves that these are the only roles out there. (generalized but you get my point)

    The fact you think those roles described there even have to do with pve is very telling, the fact you think it should carry over to pvp is even moreso. Just so you know there are people like Steatoda who are really out there that reinvent the wheel. You could take a cue from such players and look to viable alternatives to the 'in the box' pvp you despise. Just don't think you will shake the whole system at its roots. Its the foundation for a reaon, its tried and tested and proven to be effective.



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    Shouldn't the best team be the one with the best players? the team with the best PvP skill, knowledge of team strengths and weakness, and the team that does a better job of PvPing as a team?

    you are aware that all those things don't all necessarily go hand in hand right? There are plenty of skilled pvpers who couldn't make a build to save their souls. There are plenty of teams with great teamwork who don't always win. You seem like you have pugged on slow servers or so infrequently that you don't really understand any more what good pvp and good pvpers are. Maybe you should take a step back and reassess what the real goals of pvp are and what the being successful and good really mean.


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    mean isn't that why they can make up rules about no "all stalker" teams and no this and that... to prevent bad teams from winning based solely on stacking one tactic? I could speculate as well like you did on whether there would be a winner but the only real way to find out would be to ask the bestest arena folks to try it and get back to us.
    All stalker teams would pretty much be a joke and ran as a tie team not as a get a kill and hide team. Once a team for it was made known the other teams would bring forts and the farm would be on.




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    I agree that a standard and stale Jump team consisting of the same proven tactic and the same builds would beat a random and varied set up of toons. I don't think I gave any impression otherwise though you see you seem to act as if I did.

    Then why offer up the suggestion they switch to sub optimal teams in the first place? You gave the impression that if talked into it it would alter the very state of arena pvp. In truth we would get what merc said, lots of ties and super low scores.

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    The devs cannot change this mentality with ruleset changes or fixes. PvPers can. It's as simply as saying "hey, we made up another rule!"

    Ironically you found one of mine and I am pretty sure a few others peeve with arena. I hate rules that are forced. I think needing to check a box for good pvp is just as retarded someone wanting me to not use inspires. What the high end pvpers use for arena SHOULD be the stock rules for zone pvp. Pure and simple. If I had a vote that is what I would pick. I just kind of boycott the arena for the most part as my own protest against it all.


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    Fun is the point. Ask yourself the same question for PvE, and then ponder why instead of everyone playing the same 8 combos... people have this weird habit of picking and playing with what they want out of 100s of poweset combos to choose from.

    Now define how someone has fun. Do they ahve fun losing? Probably not. Just because you think its cool to fly around and maybe sorta occassionly disrupt something don't think its what the average pvper is going to find fun. I am something of a disrution specialist and I would only encourage someone to play some of the toons I do if they showed express interest in it. Most of the people who came here to look for help are looking for a very small window of help not enlightenment. They are more than likely looking for help with a blaster a dom a scrapper or a stalker. And newsflash its so they can get kills. Its how it works. Sorry this is a letdown to you but it is what it is and no amount of your revalation will every change it. But fight the good fight, I am sure you need to feel like you are helping the cause to care on.




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    Mediore setup vs Mediore setup match = as much competition and fun as an uber setup vs uber setup. It's likely it may not be as fun to some dependant on cookie cut builds and FoTM because it just may require a lot more thought and skill from some peeps who haven't used either in some time


    Its called kickball, happens all the time. We can call happy dahjee fun time if it will make you feel special though.



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    uber setup vs mediocre setup means the uber setup will win, but it also means it will be copied, pasted, and end up turning high end arena into a bunch of the same doing the same and... oh wait... I think arena has reached that point already. Given the fact that arena is the closet to Pre-I13 one can get... and given the fact that most organized matches will run with those settings... and given the fact that there is far far far less viable sets to succeed with there... bah. What I'm getting at will stir too many emotions so I'll leave it to you all to get the point I was about to make.

    If you think its as simple as loading up a fotm with loot and getting 8 mouth breathers to be good at arena pvp you are again pretty damn clueless. Get off your duff and go level all these things you pretend so much to know about. And come find out how easy it is. There is a reason not everyone does, because not everyone can. You may end up being the best psi em team blaster ever to play the game, but my magic 8 ball told me to not hold my breath.




    As usual fun playing with you dodgy, see you next time teddy bear <3
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    Originally Posted by JamMasterJMS View Post
    ding ding ding, we have a winner

    You can email it to my global, thanks in advance.
  4. me and max? I will be in game tomorrow for my 2 billion.
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    Louie

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    Originally Posted by Silit View Post
    All of you pale in comparison to the Virtuous Vanguard when it comes to TPing enemies in PvP zones. You can stop now.



    Git wormhold sun, srlsy.
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    Louie

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    Originally Posted by Supermax View Post
    Btw who is Louie? Keep hearing about him. What toon(s) does he play?



    Ar Dark pro rager with his own myspace. And his new ba wp brute is now lvl 40 and should be in rv soon. He promises when he sinks all his billions of influence into it that it will be unbetable. At last check the build had no travel and all of the leadership pool so be warned he is coming. Its name is 'a Chicken'
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    Originally Posted by JamMasterJMS View Post
    Forum moderators send a private message to your control panel when posts are deleted, and why they are deleted. I got nothing from a mod.
    It was actually a positive post with nothing bad in it.


    Look real man of genius a couple of facts for you. Only a mod can perform the function in question. Second the edited part in merc's post says last edited by mod 08. I know a huge leap of logic has to take place here but I have faith.
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    Originally Posted by Supermax View Post
    Just for the damage and heals though, pretty much. They used to provide so much more


    true.



    wanted to touch on this quote
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    Wow, someone managed to delete my post.

    That someone is forum moderator. It means you probably shouldn't have said what you said. And I am sure they just missed the remains of it in the other post.
  9. A good therm, emp or pain dom can still be huge in zone.
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    Originally Posted by Mercury_Down View Post
    Please note the players you mentioned are only better at being jerks when jerks show themselves. If you actually knew Con and/or Barrier (I don't really know Max) you'd realize they only trash talk loud mouthy players who start spewing off in the first place.

    If a player asks for help with a build or PVP tactics then these guys would be the first to jump in and offer helpful advice/guidance and they'd be spot on with their tips.

    They don't start the trash talk, they're just better at doing it.

    So much truth.
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    Louie

    Even fliers get fall time. Not as much as jumpers. Even so an extra second in pvp is a long time.
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    Louie

    If you don't know why you wormhole targets off the ground you really don't have a clue.
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    Louie

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    Finally, TP Foe does not equal Wormhole. Considering the two to offer the identical effect is a sign of a very misinformed player... ie fing Robot.


    Remember how I keep using caging the spike target as an example of how bad the advice you give is? Well I will be adding this gem because its actually worse than that. Wormhole is like the one reason to use grav.


    Man I wish you had gotten that toon that one time you were going to teach me how to play grav control.
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    Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
    How sure are you on what the devs actually wanted, and what is really going on?

    I know a number of bar owners. From talking with them I found out what they do to get rid of people they don't want in their bar, for whatever reason, usually because those people cause problems and make their other patrons uncomfortable.

    They can't just kick them all out, because most of the time they didn't actually do anything wrong. But their presence is giving the bar a reputation of being an unpleasant place to spend time.

    So what they do is change things about the bar to make those people not want to hang out there anymore. If they know those people prefer rap music, they change the jukebox to nothing but country and classic rock. If they know they like a certain brand or beer or liquor, they either stop selling it, or jack the prices up on it. All in the interest of getting the people they would rather not have there to go somewhere else.

    Again, they can't just kick them out, or refuse them entrance, because it is a public establishment, and the people are paying customers. But they CAN make their establishment less attractive to the people that make their other customers uncomfortable.

    Maybe the devs are doing the same thing.


    You have obviously never ran a bar. I have, and believe me you can kick anyone out at any time you want. Do you ever have a clue as to whats going on?
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    Louie

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    Originally Posted by Terror1 View Post
    I like that Dahjee has TP foe on a grav dom.


    Its pretty much as outside the box as thinking gets.
  16. Its easy to run staminaless and have tactics. Its still pretty unkillable. Spines is probably tied for second for primaries with em, depending if you want to be more blaster or more melee based. A very very strong toon when built and played right.
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    I don't recall many voices that stood out claiming to understand why the changes were made and I think it's reasonable to assume that becasue no one did (loudly enough) that the devs might still be waiting for us to figure it out completely
    Actually alot of people understood what the changes were aimed at doing. We also told the devs over and over that the changes would not do what they wanted. And the people who told them that were right on each and every count.


    If as many of you pros(see: dodgy and clawlz) actually remembered what you thought you may talk alot less and realize how retarded you seem to those of that actually know what the **** is going on and what went on. Just saying.
  18. I don't see my pvp fixes on there.
  19. Actually being rude gets pretty good customer service in most industries. Just saying.
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    Mid's

    Apparently its showing tough as res to all in pve stats as well. Quite a few pve bugs floating around. Yay, even more time until they get to pvp bugs.
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    Originally Posted by MajorPrankster View Post

    And if any of you don't think they listen, you are delusional. Do they always agree, or always take player input into account for every change? Of course not. But they do listen.


    Yes I know they listen. I can tell by how the pvp bugs make the known issue list. I can tell by how much they post here. I can tell by how much they pm me back. Even if you don't agree with people its good to recognize them and let them know they were heard. That is clearly not the case here. Nor has it really ever been. Nor will it ever be. Keep lying to yourself and saying if you do it nice they may listen. We tried that. Alot of people even warned us back then to not trust it that they didn't care. It seems even you agree on how that turned out. Fool me once.......
  22. I will check it next time I am in game. Its a pretty strong attack. And in zones the travel aspect can be huge when the tas are out.
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    Originally Posted by MajorPrankster View Post
    I love how PvPers cannot help but pull the carebear card.

    I agree I13 drove away most of the PvPers at that point.

    I agree that the efforts made by the developers have had a negative effect on the number of PvPers.

    I think players should attempt to have rational discourse with the developers to get what they want in the game, PvP or not.

    But, the mere fact that so many of the PvP players cannot interact with players or developers without name calling and vitriol, would tell me, were I a developer, that the PvP population is not worth trying to court.

    BTW. I help manage a multi-million software company. I can tell you point blank that the customers that treat us rationally and civilly get what they want and the ones that don't get shafted, one way or another. Period. The way you interact with humans matters, whether you like, understand it, or not.


    I love how most of your post is wrong and biased.



    And BTW I run a multimillion dollar casino and I can tell you point blank once our mind is made up it doesn't mean dick how you come at us. Period. What we want is what matters, whether you like, understand it, or not.
  24. I am probably the best zone **** talker in the history of this game. Others can have burst of competition but day in day out I am the only real choice.

    Honorable mention to Barrier. And a dude I played with alot on Justice named Ignicity.