Black_Scourge

Yeah its amazing, our 4th tier PP has a 15 minute recharge! Thats basically the WORST recharge than any pet in the game. That means in a 10 min. Arena match, you'll be able to summon the pet twice. And thats only if you have 3 recharge in it.

I was dissappointed to see they didnt add the new Villain logos from character creation yet.

If somebody in my sg wasted that much salvage on a 15 min. buff......they would be homeless.

I think somebody is smoking crack in the design department.

Another thing aside from the soft numbers they provided.......How are these powers "stronger" then their normal counterparts as stated by Matt Miller in a recent interview? If you ask me, all of the power are sub par to anything Ive seen in game ATM.

I killed Lord Recluse, so its working. The bots are cool too.

DoooOoOOOOOoOMMMm!!!!

j/k!

Cant wait to test.

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Aid Self allows me to heal approximately 123% of my HP per minute without Power Boost and 165% when I use power boost every time it's up.

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Honestly, I don't understand the point in mentioning what it can do with PB. That is something that Energy Secondaries and maybe Power Mastery EPP Defenders can take advantage of. (Never met a Defender with Aid Self.)

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My Regen Scrapper can heal at 97% of her HP in one minute with Reconstruction well slotted. My primary regeneration toggle only heals me for 61% of my HP per minute. So two powers that make up my main defenses are beneath this pool power.

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Because they aren't interruptable, do not break your attack chain for 3.3 seconds, and do not require you to be immobile to activate them.

Look, if the problem is that the power's interruptability is not working, I'm all for fixing that. It interrupts for me rather often. Maybe I've been unlucky. I've tried what you describe with an Invulnerability Scrapper and have about 60/40 success/fail rate activating the power under heavy assault. It was usually a mix of slow DoT and multiple melee attacks that I could't time. Melee with one foe? No problem. In the Ice Storm of a Hellfrost? Forget it. With a DE Swarm on my butt? Forget it.

But if it's not working - if the interrupt mechanic is broke, then fix that.

And hey, I'd be ecstatic if they dropped the recharge on reconstruction by 30% or so. I think it takes too damn long to come back.

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Yeah, unfortunately, one of the most unbalance builds have access to power boost. Ever fight an Ice/EM with Power boost and Aid self? 700+ hp heals at lvl 50.

You ever play a Dark Defender? You wanna talk about a powerset going thru the ringer? Or how about Radiation? Both of those sets took multple power hits on many different levels. Hurricane just happened to be next in line. I just hope this balancing act doesnt turn into trying to match your sideburns to the point where alittle is taken off from each side, and eventually you lose the whole sideburn altogether, bc too much was taken off in each sweep in attempt to "balance".

Dont sweat it, I cant see FB getting nerfed. Think about, FB without repel = no power. What other use does it have? That's like taking the "confuse" out of Confusion.

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/em wonders when the devs are gonna realize that Force Bubble has the same "problem" that convinced em to zap Hurricane.

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The worst parts about getting debuffed by hurricane was the nasty to-hit debuff and its -range. The -tohit was easily countered at the higher levels(FA, AIM, BU, etc). The -range was the only form of mitigation against ranged toons for the Storm summoning set. It made only since that storm should be able to keep melee out when they are so vulnerable to everything else.

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Actually, the only thing I really wanted to change in this mess was the ability for Repel Fields to effectively trap a player against geometry in Base Raids. I'm aware other powers have the same problem. I'll address those individually, though -- the same type of change made to Hurricane can be made, but for the most part, those powers have fewer aspects to them that Hurricane does. That makes getting them right considerably harder.

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Well if thats the case _Castle_, you may wanna consider putting a 30 second timer on Telekinesis so that cant perma-pin folks.

So I think your fight should be on the MM boards, asking to get a boost to FF. Attacking bodyguard IMO isnt the best route. I'm for a boost to FF since Im one too.

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Well the only possible solution to this issue is to have the henchmen affected to have their dmg resistance be taken into account after the dmg split by BG is taken. To hit checks dont make sense since they are volunteering to take the dmg for their master.

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Actually, I would find this an acceptable change, even if it does continue to bypass my bubble protection. It may make no sense to have damage I dump onto my pets make a seperate check to see if it hits, but the pets should definately get to use their own resistances.

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The devs can't do that because it would be massively unfair to Ninja/ MMs.

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Hehe, I have a lvl 40 Ninja/FF MM too, trust me I know how unfair it would be. Adding some slight resistances to Ninjas wouldnt be such a hard thing though to lvl the playing field.

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Well the only possible solution to this issue is to have the henchmen affected to have their dmg resistance be taken into account after the dmg split by BG is taken. To hit checks dont make sense since they are volunteering to take the dmg for their master.

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It really kinda depends on how you think of the force field working. You are correct that to-hit checks wouldn't make sense if you think of it as purely a dodge maneuver, but it could make sense if you think of it as a deflection of the attack upon impact with the target.

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Yes, I thought of that, but then the hit check would have to decipher a "deflection" defense opposed to a "dodge-like" defense, which would complicated the whole process altogether.

Well the only possible solution to this issue is to have the henchmen affected to have their dmg resistance be taken into account after the dmg split by BG is taken. To hit checks dont make sense since they are volunteering to take the dmg for their master.

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Dr. Corvus, I like the way you crunched the numbers to show the usefulness of Bodyguard.

Personally, my problem with Bodyguard is the fact that it bypasses my entire secondary line. I am a FF secondary. I put bubbles on my minions every 4 minutes to extend their lives and make them more durable. Bodyguard, if implemented as described, will have all of the damage I pass to my minions bypass the bubbles completely! What good is my secondary now?

In PvP, why should any hero target my pets? They are harder to hit than I am, and have more resistance. Now, heroes can pump damage into me, and if I don't have bodyguard set, fine...I die just as fast as I always have (faster because now I can't fade in and out of PFF). If I do have bodyguard set, they can kill my pets by attacking me, and they will kill them FASTER and EASIER than if they attacked them directly. My set doesn't come with a heal, like Dark Miasma, my set depends on PROTECTING my minions and making them harder to kill. All bodyguard does is make my minions EASIER to kill.

I guess if you want to PvP post I7 as an MM, you better have Dark Miasma as your secondary, because FF is going to be pretty worthless.

Yes, bodyguard will extend my life expectancy, but it does so at the cost of my entire secondary.

Suriyama
40 bots and bubbles
Justice

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In PvP, what happens to you now? Presumably, your enemies just ignore your pets and Build Up+Snipe You, or whatever.

Now, if you've got your pets on Defensive/Follow, you're effectively being given up to 75% more HP, drawn from your pets.

Yes, it doesn't really bring your secondary into play, but that's not really different than before, right? Your pets die when you die, and in my experience, it's faster to kill the MM (unless using PFF), and ignore the pets than it is to target the pets.

Is your complaint that bodyguarding won't do anything, or that it won't do enough?

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It sounds like he's upset b/c FF isnt the best 2ndary anymore, lol.

I like this bodyguard ability. I think that the smart and tactical players will benifit the most from his power, while the ppl who just mindlessly send out their pets to follow an opponent half way across the map wont.

As far as PFF, no red name said anything about Supremacy having to be "active", from what I understand they only need to be within Supremacy's range as standard. So you could probally still use bodyguard with it on.

CoX will be a better place with EM adjusted.

So we know EM is the culprit. So nerf it. Listen, I'm not a nerf herder, but I play a few Rad toons. We've been nerfed to high hell and back. I never complained once. Rad was the "EM" of the 'troller and defender sets. But I excepted it b/c I knew how good it was. I dont think just toning down toggle dropping is enough for EM, they need to take a real hit for balance. Just like Rad did, just like PFF is for MMS.

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And for people nerf-calling Blasters, have you even tried playing one in PvE, especially in the 40s? They are very much a glass cannon and get blown away by scrappers and controllers.

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Remember we are on the PVP forums. If EM is overpowered, then it needs addressing.

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I didn't "twist" anything at all.

"Twisting" would have been misrepresenting you.

I didn't. I represented EXACTLY what you said and pointed out EXACTLY why it was inaccurate.

That's not "twisting".

What you're doing right now, though... that's twisting. You don't have facts, so you're engaging in personal attacks to defend yourself. You know you were wrong, you're mad that you got caught, and instead of being gracious and admitting it, you're attacking me for having the audacity to point out your mistake/deception/lie.

When you engage in personal attacks, you've lost the argument. We're done here.

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Aren't we "chock full of fabrications"? Is this person for real?

No, you specifically chose to find the "nick" in my post, isolated it, and blatenty twist it to attack my credibility, because you cant debate the real issue. That in itself is a deception and palor trick for your literary sleight of hand. Instead of attacking me for a composition mishap, why not tackle the unbalance?

No I think Phanthom proves his point quite nicely. Just the example of your attack on me and lumping me in with the "melee" community, solidifies his case. I have ONE melee toon out of 8, and its a Spines scrapper. That makes me the a melee rep? No it makes me an observant and concerned player on game balance.

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i am relaxed, and agree with you 100%, but the fact is by statman own action hes either as you put it "a lier" or if he just donesn't know about the things he miss posts hes "incompetent"


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Wow, the person who formed this sentence is calling ppl incompetent? Ironic...

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The only 'bother' about blapper melees is that as an AT, their melee attack (a secondary) is more feared and in some ways much more effective than the melee attacks of many Brute and Scrapper AT's. Ye olde Manual describes Blasters as the best at damage, not the best at toggle dropping, and certainly they should be well behind Brutes in melee ('the best there is in a straight melee fight').

We've seen what happened in the old days when some AT's secondaries were better that some AT's primaries in a direct comparison. It will happen again.

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Ultimately, that is what the problem is here.

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The rest of the time [Blasters']ll run for the hills in PFF like a Mexican jumping bean on crack. This applies to arena and pvp zones.

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Which PvP zone are you in that Blasters have access to Personal Force Field? At minimum, a Blaster has to be level 41 to get that power. Currently, the highest-level PvP zone auto-levels everyone to 38.

You do not help your case when you say things that can be proven to be wrong, especially proven this easily and proven to be this wrong. One lie destroys your credibility--it makes me, as a reader, suspect every other thing you say.

It's like the repeated Meleer Myth of the Bone Smasher PvP One-Shot. I disprove that one at least once every two weeks, and yet it persists. There's a paucity of truth-telling about blappers by meleers. It would behoove you guys to tell the truth to make your case, rather than exaggerate, deceive, and outright lie.

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Um yeah...your quoting one line out of what I was saying in that post. I know PFF isnt available til Epics. The point I was making was the tactic, in itself, attacking only when Aim and BU are up, and then doing whatever it takes to avoid the fight. Dont take things so literal.

And dont call me a liar b/c you personally have a hard time grasping a concept. And it doesnt help your credibility when your take quotes out of context and try to twist them on the poster.