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Grats Malco and the IP, but you do suck at PvP

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LoL come on, try to get our item of power with a raid rotfl

[/ QUOTE ]Way to go, taunt someone to raid you when raids are disabled

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What he said. We'll fight you in the arena though. Or Warburg.

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As for us, 1 IoP down, 1 to go

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when u get the test server up and running i wud very much like a fight with u plight as my fire/kin, i dont expect to win but ur gettin quite a rep so wanna see what every1 is chatting about

[/ QUOTE ]Certainly mate, Although I will say fire trol is quite easily the control set that I fare worst against, destroys my heals and the upfront damage is madness , that said, you have to be good, but then I've seen you wack things and heal things IIRC, so you're good

I did have test, but uninstalled 3 CoH clients to help my poor laptop

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So a few months have passed since the last top gun thread so i thought it was time for a new one. So let's list the top 5 of each archetype

Blasters:

Gatling
Captain Freon
Bitter Ice
Chill
(Can't decide on the 5th)



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No Plight Trawler? im not sure if i can be bothered to read the rest of the list now...

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indeed, plight owned bridger for atlas's sake. bets blaster PvP wise i know, cept maybe jum

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I love you Lost, here, have a Muffin!

And his scrapper Dark, is called Spine Shooter.

[/ QUOTE ]I will reinstall test at some point and we can try it out Jum, you're getting far too famous for me to not want to try, let me get the CoP out of the way and I will let ya know . You are gonna be hating those sonic rooting animations

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he will also hate your end drain, conversely you will hate his powerboosted ranged stun

[/ QUOTE ]Ahhh perma BF FTW, although I do hate the ranged stun so far I have dealt with it none too bad, I imagine the powerboosted debuffs will be the worst :'(

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So a few months have passed since the last top gun thread so i thought it was time for a new one. So let's list the top 5 of each archetype

Blasters:

Gatling
Captain Freon
Bitter Ice
Chill
(Can't decide on the 5th)



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No Plight Trawler? im not sure if i can be bothered to read the rest of the list now...

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indeed, plight owned bridger for atlas's sake. bets blaster PvP wise i know, cept maybe jum

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I love you Lost, here, have a Muffin!

And his scrapper Dark, is called Spine Shooter.

[/ QUOTE ]I will reinstall test at some point and we can try it out Jum, you're getting far too famous for me to not want to try, let me get the CoP out of the way and I will let ya know . You are gonna be hating those sonic rooting animations

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indeed, plight owned bridger for atlas's sake. bets blaster PvP wise i know, cept maybe jum

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Bridger 0 - 7 Plight
Jaw Breaker 0 - 12 Plight

Although B's build is pretty cas' and PvE friendly and Rockjaw's dark/fire brute hasn't been enhanced since 40 and he didn't bother with anything more than the 6 or so insps he had in his tray, so I used none

Was nice of them to spare the time to duel though, I'm sure there were other things to do

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Dawnie, just cos im no on the list doesnt mean dont read the thread, and it is partly true that im a duellist, not so much a teamer. That said, I have wiped the floor with a fair few duos with TG's troller, my old spec was fierce for that

now then, and i dont team pvp a lot, and if i fight with u a lot or in zones and dont mention ya, then it prolly means u dont stand out in the context of ur build

I can only really speak for duels, otherwise I would add the defenders from the PDs to the list

Captain Freon (imaginary)
Frozen Electrum (extremus)
not Blue Freezer (sorry, but barely coping with my Onion build isn't good enough IMO to be on a list)

Stalk-obot

Talin le Thaed (TG, although mostly AWOL)
Cherry Fusion (I think, fire rad, pwned me totally)
Omega MCX

Sechs
Nightbinger (retired pretty much)
Chives (retired)
Aburame
Vamos

Amakyre (Abu's dominator)

Araquel (Abu's PB, only PB I found to be vaguely challenging)

Meddler
X-16 (Omega MCX), the only 2 MMs I've really gone at it with and suffered against in 'fair' fights

There are brutes and corrs and other ATs, but not too many that I can remember. There's a tank and a brute that were horrible to fight in duels, but i forget their names :/

There are more but i cant think now, and im at work :s

I know that most of the full timers in our SG are well above average, but that's prolly 'cos they actually do some PvP and raids

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The main news is up on the forum for the CoP trials, but it is coped on the official board hero thread for those who cant access at the moment.

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From our main site, www.ootcs.com, for those that can;t login at the moment

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Its open .....now, Its only open for the next 7 days, I would be as bold as to suggest we NEED to do this everynight on both Heroes and Villains until we score an Item of Power for our bases, I will be ready from 7:30 (tuesday) onwards shouting alot until a team of suitable size is formed to attempt the raid. Teamspeak is going to be essential for this type of raid as absolute sychronicity is required for all 3 teams is required. If you not aware of the mechanics of how its supposed to work i would suggest finding out ASAP as it makes the sewer trial look like a joke. If you are aware of anyone who does not keep fully up to date with whats on this forum i urge you to inform them about this, as it a 20 (or 24 ...not to sure to be honest) person raid, going with anything less than 3 6-man teams might be a struggle. Plight has just left here (my house) to go home, I ran out to the road just as he was leaving to tell him the trial is open, i imagine he will no doubt post here when he gets home with more words of motivation for this also.

I have to say (for me) this is singley the most exciting feature yet to be implimented for Co*, it will hopefully snowball to make SG's becoming a funtional high level content feature for both games, with regular competitive base raids a daily occurance. Knowing how good our SG is capable of, i will be proud to already be a member of what will be the most sought after SG on the server.

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Ahhh yes, what the Meddler said! i did ask him to post most of that so will reiterate some points.


This is a chance for 24 of us to do the same trial (in three teams)
It is only open for 7 days (according to Tobe who has read the official news on it, I thought it was 5 TBH)
Team Speak is ESSENTIAL. If you haven;t got it sorted yet, I don't see how I can motivate you to get it sorted ever.Clicky
People in semi retirement, it would be useful to have you in, plee contact all people through IMs and emails who are close RL or ingame friends.
This gets us an Item of Power! This thing buffs the entire SG whilst in sgmode (which I know you all are already), for things like +mez protect, -debt, +XP gain etc, some of the IoPs are even rumoured to have rediculous one off powers that no other SG can get, oh yes.


We will be putting teams together from 1930 BST (GMT+1) until the raid closes, any other impromptu raids, feel free if you can get an SG member with permission to start it (most of you I think). The plan will be as soon as we hit 18+ we will do the raid, heroes 1st then villains the same night (starting tomorrow, Tuesday 10/10/06. After we have the hero IoP sorted we will start with the villain team on Wednesday then do the heroes, the idea being to have fun and get an IoP or 2 (1 per faction).

Personally I can't make Thursday or Friday or Saturday at this tim, so please follow people who are leaders and are leading when I'm not on, I imagine meeting in the base with a tray full of defence, HP and BF insps will be a good plan, there should be plenty of clear mind type buffs floating about but the rularuu do huge -def -res so def is better than res buffs generally.

As Medd says, learn about the CoP on the main forums or CoX game sites if you haven't basically it's a big [censored] 3 way trial starting in the base, takes about 30 mins or less if you're spot on with the plan but can take far longer to organise or execute if you do not have any idea what's going on with spawns and intangible objects and force fields etc.

Everyone will be boosted to level 50 AFAIK, although the best slotting for your level would be advisable.

Any questions please email me at my gmail or hotmail or PM me on the CoH forums @ BindW, both of which are listed between this and the official CoH/V forums.

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Scuse the misformatting. Any none SG people who are our friends, get in touch in our channel about helping out if you want some content and can't do it with your own SG.

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You know I'm on when I can be and that I'm primarily committed to the OotCS, but if you see me about feel free to ask Flush, I won't say no if I have time . GL with that

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Elec primary is in question though and i know for a fact that zap is a better power than VS which is why i respec'd it out a long time ago.
As you just stated it gives you the edge against characters who cant heal themselves but im sure the regen set has at least 2 self heals?? Contradicting yourself???

And what is gloating about your pvp kills got to do with VS being more useful than zap?

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I wasn't contradiciting myself, I was saying that vs people who cannot heal VS can almost solo them, vs people who can heal the extra DPS is a great help. If Zapp was better in the elec primary at perpetual single target damage in duels then don't you think that maybe a build I made to handle melee ATs would have it in rather than VS?

Both are good powers, neither are essential, I've just done a hell of a lot of testing and IMXP what I have stated is true.

With regard to gloating, I wasn't trying to, as I said, it is mere evidence of what I have found through hundreds and hundreds of fights and 1000s of hours on an elec/elec blaster.

Also what Dawnie said about the extra drain is very true, VS is actually a far better drainer than slotted Lightning Field and does more -end/time than Zapp, regens don't have heals without end

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I think n00bs who whine should get pwned, and my mate aggrees with me

No rules, so get a team thats better than your opponent and you should win. not to mention ZOMG insps!? cant tp thru some of them, but that would require some basic knowledge of how to play the game.

PL Plix

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Grats Loki, another big achievement under your belt, and yet more lappin me

For those that don't know her already, your loss

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My IP wasnt blocked hun. I managed to keep from logging in too many times for that to happen. Sin got me sorted
BUT!!! We really need to get Abu sorted
He wants to post stuff, ie: setting up SF's etc., but can't do anything. It's not really fair that he's being left out.
There's got to be something that can be done to get Abu back on the forum.

[/ QUOTE ]Let's start a petition, all email your local MP and see what he has to say.

BRING BACK ABU! BRING BACK ABU! BRING BACK ABU!

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lol Sin, my Dad's a n00b too, keeps telling me to go to bed at 12 midnight : /

Apparently Ruby's IP is blocked now, and still no luck with Abu. Until things get good if people could keep their eye on here for important stuff too

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WOOP WOOP Paging Sinergy X to the thread, for some bizzarre reason I can't access teh page either now. Weird eh, will let you know if it persists next week.

I AM AWAY TIL MONDAY OR TUESDAY NOW, PLEASE DO NOT WAIT FOR ME ON THE MNT. PLEASE PM ME OR USE MY REALMAIL IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.

WB to Nick, but I said that already

Dawnie, email sinergyx@ootcs.com for your password info if you can't use the auto function.

Mighty, MCX is setting this up on our forums, he'll let you know ingame ASAP I suppose

Have fun folks

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Well im a blaster holder due to ice secondary not a blapper and i would never think of wasting slots on VS, the damage tickles enemies and i know for a fact it wouldnt bother my regen.

If you use zap combined with build up it can whack a fair amount off the hp of any enemy, i know this from personal experience and many respecs.

6 slotting zap with 3 dam,1 recharge and 2 acc make it much more useful imho.

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VS is also totally unbuffalble, it will hi through any debuff or phase/mez power and often gives you the edge of debuff characters who can't heal themselves.

Take Zapp for PvE, levelling and team PvP, for soloing and duels take VS... or neither, as there are other picks that can give you more utility.

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well my primary is elec and i have taken most of the pwoers from the pool except the amazingly awful voltaic sentinal.

I would highly recommend the snipe, tesla cage is great as is short circuit. I can drain most of a boss's end with it.

Of course there is thunderous blast which one of 2 ranged nukes iirc and does great damage.

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For PvE large teams VS won't add a lot, for solo it won't add loads but will almost certainly add more than Zapp. Zapp is good lower down when your control is limited to one hold and one drain, after you start to get into the realm of 3 6 slotted melees (level 31 minimum) Zapp is pretty redundant.

All said, it's up to you, it's far far from a bad power

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The reason is that most people like to get hasten and acrobatics, and they dont want to use more than 2 pools on travel powers.

I always take fly and ss personally.

Elec/Elec PvE talk

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Basically elec is a melee focussed set, everything works ewll in a PBAoE environment (Player Based/Point BLank Area of Effect), fly is slow as hell in fights and Hover is not really fast enough, acrobatics is abetter pick to stop you from being knocked back and stops some holds. There aren't many situations an elec blaster would want to be moving once inside a mob anyway. If you choose to play ranged then this is less true, but once you look at elec's defining powers it's easy to see that range was nowhere in sight of the devs plan when making the set IMO at least.

The snipes ok but I'd not take it personally, get 2 blasts 1 AoE 2 drains 3 melees and 2 holds minimum, the rest you could play with.

Remove the date limits from searches and search for the word elec, you will find plenty

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You won't be nearly effective as any other blaster with a well rounded pick of powers, although what the others abive say is about all I could say positively :/

Niche toons often suffer massively in general combat

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Agreed I was there it was very funny. Esspecialy when the person who said you cant use them came out with, "I'm a PvPer and I know for a fact ispiarations are frowned upon in PvP"

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Let me guess it was a giggling stalker with the words "n00b+newb=" written on his forehead.

Zonal PvP curse and beauty at same time is that there are no rules. I keep cremating duel spectators cause well i obviously dont harass the duelers (i kill the one still standing if its a hero immediately after the duel is done)

Zonal PvP has NO rules whatsoever

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MY GOD! HOW MANY TIMES!

In a PvP zone anything goes, anything. Being attacked by other players is to be expected, use of all powers are the friggin' law! Insps/temps/jumping like a monkey! ANYTHING!

If you want a proper duel, I suggest you take it to the arena.

There are numerous threads/discussions in this section about PvP zones/duels within.

(Sorry to seem a lil harsh, but if anyone else brings this up again i'll personally duel them in the arena!)

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I've logged in several times to see a villain in RV, they get smashed in and i asked questions about who was duelling who afterwards . its not the arena afterall

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Rarely go below Siren's Call TBH, and rarely I go there. I was mainly aiming for decent functionality at 30 and almost full melee functionality at 38. 25 wise I can't remember what I was aiming for, although I'm gonna guess it was serious melee, drain and basic hold potential as most 25s are squishy as hell regardless of AT. I wouldn't recommend trying the build from 1-50, although you can run pretty much any build that way, I did it without any of the OTT minmaxing, if anything I was pushed to the ranged blastroller side of things. Later on I got into what I called the regen blaptroller (aid self and drains, 3 holds pre ED with intimidate). Now I'm pretty gimped at range unless I'm 47+

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1 acc in snipe is fine, would still prefer a melee chain
2 generally will serve u well

KB enhancers are pretty much a joke, even if you have no melee chain. rather slot mor damge, endred or recred

"im a blaster, i dont do melee" is an ingnorant attitude. any blaster is glass cannon just like mine, only difference is some blasters actually outdamage the other ATs, fulfilling their roles. Some just sit at the back and do sub par damage and end up feeling useless.

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I wouldnt bother with repulsion field, as your range with cone KBs just run away, that should do the same trick for a lot less end

Aim and BU, cant say how important they are ASAP

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Thanks for that Botty, now I know it's ST i'm a bit happier

SC's -rec is prolly just about the same as the +rec from elude and unstop, maybe slightly less. I know it's more than base+QR+stam but less that PBed RA. Abbreviations ftw eh?

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