Bill Z Bubba

I bet supply would go up if more people PvPed.

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I've been trying to figure out why I'm seeing my level 38 dm/wp have RttC drop during missions. I don't enter a mission without IW running. That means something is getting through IW just enough to detoggle RttC.

IW has the following for PvE:
-10.38 Stun, Sleep, Held, Confused, Terrorized, Immobilize
RES(Stun, Sleep, Held, Confused, Terrorized, Immobilize) +103.8%
-10 Knockback, Knockup, Repel
RES(Knockback, Knockup, Repel) +10000%

Spot checking the other secondary mez protection values, IW is in line, so it doesn't appear to be a weak to mez problem.

My only guess is that on 5th diff, enough mag is getting stacked to drop RttC but it's not enough to bypass the resistance portion so I don't notice being mezzed when I'm actually being mezzed. Of course, those values are at 50 and they do scale up as you level, so perhaps that is all that's happening.


As an aside, I received this comment on my last post in this thread:

Forced upgrade to Firefox 3.5.2, quick reply button STILL doesn't work. Just hit enter twice after using New Reply button to get a screen where I could type in information. If there isn't a space between sentences 1 and 2, then even this screen it borked.

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But... they already are.

I PMed Castle and begged him to remove it so that I wouldn't keep farking up my chain charts.

I also asked him to just up swipe's damage to 1.06 but I doubt he'd do that without readjusting the end/recharge of it as well, and I don't see that happening.

Again, sorry for misleading everyone.

Won't it really suck if one of us hops in game and determines that the 0% chance of .3 damage portion of the attack doesn't actually exist because of the 0% part of the code?

Yup. That sure would suck. And it does, too.

Level 2 Claws Scrapper against Level 2 Hellion Minion
Swipe: 8.36
Strike: 11.89

Scrapper Damage Modifier at Level 2 as per CoD: 11.016
8.36/11.016 = .759 CoD Value: .76
11.89/11.016 = 1.079 CoD Value: 1.08

Sorry, people. I farked up. This is why you have to check your data. 0% means 0%.

DPArc of swipe with the corrected damage is .72
DPArc of strike is .818

I'm a saaaad devil.

Gorram it. Now I have to go back and look at my chains again.

Brutes have more base HP. More for HPT to buff. More for RttC and FH to regen. Claws will mean fast fury building. Wait for the brute would be my choice. I've got too many WP users, so I have no idea what I'll be using as a secondary. But I will have a claws brute.

Side note, that DPA I listed above doesn't mean damage per activation, it stands for damage per arcanatime.

I'm sitting here confusing myself again.

Strike does more damage. But it has less damage per second. In an attack chain, you want the higher DPS attacks so that you dish out the most damage in the least amount of time.

Take my FU, Slash, Focus, Swipe chain. Using nothing but the base values, it does:

.8+1.32+1.39+1.06 for a total of 4.57 damage and takes (after adjusting for arcanatime) 5.016 seconds.

If I replace swipe with strike, the chain does 4.77 damage but takes 5.28 seconds.

My DPS for that chain with swipe is .911
But with strike it works out to .903

Swipe is actually the better choice in all areas.

That may not seem like a big difference, but let's expand it a bit.

Make it 10 chains in a row.
9.11 and 9.03
Add 95% damage enhancement
17.765 and 17.609
Now throw in the scrapper multiplier of 62.562
1111.414 and 1101.654

But now we have to adjust for time.

Swipe chain did 1111.414 damage in 50.16 seconds.
The strike chain did 1101.654 in 52.8 seconds.

The DPS of the swipe chain is 22.157. In 52.8 seconds, that chain does 1169.89 damage.

The actual difference in damage output over the same period of time comes out 68.236 in favor of swipe. Against hard targets like AVs and Pylons, that becomes a damn good chunk of damage.

But above all, swipe is sexier.

I missed that. In that case... shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

We once believed it was strike. I know that was true back when swipe was the kittycat on crack against curtains animation.

After figuring in arcanatime, swipe wins with a DPA of 1.003788 unmodified versus Strike's unmodified .818182 and costs 1.248 less end.

Edit: That's if swipes actual damage is still base 1.06. City of Data shows the following:

• 0.76 Lethal damage PvE only

• 0.3 Lethal damage (after 0.5 second delay) (0% chance) PvE only

Which is a little odd. But Mids' shows the same total value.

Ok. Got it. But why 10.3 instead of 10? EDIT: Really not adding a lot is it? Why is it 80% to the power of # of chances and not 80% divided by # of chances?

EDIT: Nevermind. Plugging it into a new claws spreadsheet and it seems to be correct based on my normal pylon times.

Thanks much, man.

So it's nothing more than a 20% buff to total DPS for 1/5th of the time? (If the proc has a 20% chance to fire off that is.) Why was a much longer nastier equation being thrown around for it?

To be fair... everything sucks with just SOs.

Shred, just checked and without procs, that chain does less than my current chain of FU/Slash/Focus/Swipe repeat. But not by much.

And now I'm suddenly confused:

Werner, that equation you're using, does it include the 20% dam-res that pylons have? I'm remembering the answer to be yes, but please verify.

And if the Achilles' Heel CFDRD hits that, it actually debuffs the pylon by down to 4% DR because doesn't dam-res automatically resist dam-res debuffs? 20% resist of 20% debuff = 4% so actual debuff is 16% from 20% leaves 4%?

Yea, I'm waiting on a virus scan of some dork's personal laptop (50 different instances of spyware) and windows update on an old rig. Got nothing better to do that work on claws chains.

EDIT: Swipe has better DPA than strike after factoring in arcanatime? Sweeet.

Was really hoping that the chain FU, Slash, Focus, Eviscerate with Chance for BU, Chance for DR debuff, Chance for BU, Chance for DR debuff would have pushed me over the 200 mark, but alas, no. On the plus side, that chain didn't need hasten. Not sure if replacing hasten with assault would do the trick or not. Kinda doubt it.

249.54 DPS. Freaking sweet man. I can't hit 200 on Bill.

My angel has been Claws/SR since Sep or so of '04. We get sexier when we fall.