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Originally Posted by Agent White

Not missed at all now go poke Dr Aeon about it

Originally Posted by EvilGeko

I'd pay it, but I'd think it was a crappy thing for them to charge for.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Removing rooting would solve that problem

Originally Posted by Scythus

I've soloed EBs with Purple Triangles on dominators, still didn't notice the triangles, so pardon me while I play you the world's smallest violin.

Originally Posted by UberGuy

Well, not only that, but we actually did have trials already, and they aren't really like the iTrials in difficulty except in having overall time limits. Even granting that some have special team-focused division-of-labor tasks, like the Sewer Trial, they still aren't equipped with things like foes hardcoded to be level 54 (before level shifts).

I mean, for goodness' sake, the hero respecs are trials.

Originally Posted by Pebblebrook

I realize that and i still say it's about the game as a whole.

CoH issue 0 may have many missing features, but it also didn't have as large a debt in developing it without those features. So it might still be viable if it gets enough people to like what it does have which other games don't.

[edit] Also, if CoX launched today and NCSoft's publishing director goes through with his statement in GDC, CoX would be designed as F2P from the start so that would also have an influence in its viability.

Though it could possibly get more people though if it had those features. So it's a good thing for the other game that it does for the big ones. People may differ on how well it was implemented but again, need hindsight to see the full impact of their decisions.

If you had a large initial cost and missing those features, then yes probably you won't get as many customers to buy in long enough for you to pay back that debt. But that might not be much of a problem over there if what they've been saying at their investore calls holds up which from recent news may do that.

Originally Posted by Pebblebrook

Not sure there's a way to determine that, though CoX still does fill a void with its robust character customizations so it might still find its niche. As i said, it might come down to what the game as a whole have. That other game, though many features is similar to other mmos, has something the others don't.

And i must say, it's one thing to read text about your dastardly deeds...it's another to hear your enemies scream as you watch them get ejected into space when you chose to open the airlock.

Scary how much i enjoy that though.

Originally Posted by Pebblebrook

Unfortunately that is the sad truth in the current mmospace. Actually even single player games really can be affected by that state of mind.

But it is debatable as to what is core and what is QoL. But even if it is missing some core features, it could still come down to the whole game or the playerbase as a whole to see if it's a game breaker or not.

I don't know the percentage of players on either side, i just know that the missing ones did not sour the game for me.

But as you say...mileage may vary. Just have to use hindsight in these cases. But for contrast...when CoH launched without pvp, market, loot team/player search and the like which other mmos had at the time, it too was considered missing features. But that didn't matter to me since i liked what the game did have.

Originally Posted by Dr. Aeon

2) Little to no impact on the art team or powers team. The goal here is to come up with ideas that are easily applicable to several scenarios.

Originally Posted by Armath

QFT, and since devs said themselves that DA was designed and intended to be that way, i don't get it why they are still beating a dead horse...

There is so much content to cater to your likings, why wouldn't you let something different slip under the carpet just for a change? Why are you so intoxicated with the notion that everything has to revolve around your playstyle?

Originally Posted by UberGuy

So on a difficulty scale of 1-10, I have a choice between 1 and 11.

I now question the validity of everything that has been used to defend all the exceptional challenge mechanics included in the iTrials. If Dark Astoria is aimed at being gentle on soloists, how is exceptional difficulty (by CoH standards) justified on iTrials?

Originally Posted by Pebblebrook

Heh, that's why i said it makes sense in this game for quick travel...though at one point before they "encouraged" door missions, the persistent zones were more relevant. But that hasn't really been the case in a very long time.

Like i also said in that post you quoted. It depends on how the rest of the game is. It's not a straighforward "it takes x minutes too many so it must be bad" situation.

The communication i did agree with you and i they may have something in the next patch...but not sure...i couldn't place full attention at the summit stream since i was at work and they didn't show everything in it anyway.

Originally Posted by Angelxman81

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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei

TBH, this is where the devs keep shooting themselves in the foot regarding QOL stuff. Considering the code restrictions they had no business making that salvage. That should have been like an SO enhancement drop except marked as attuned like the ATO's.

I find it somewhat astonishing that all those smart people on the dev team have such little foresight when it comes to this kind of thing. Whatever...

Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei

3. They withhold releasing things ready to be released for Tuesday market day.

That is what people are not pleased with the most it appears.

Originally Posted by Pebblebrook

Maybe this is one of those "depends on the person" situation but i am not seeing the enormous burden of meeting up with teammates in that game.

When i wind down from a game session, i have a habit of teleporting to the fleet (for personal reasons since i have crafting alts parked there) so that's always been my starting point which means the next game session i have to travel to meet up or continue where i last left off if soloing and so far i haven't had too much difficulty with that.

I can quick travel teleport if i unlocked the appropriate portal and the speeder helps the rest of the way. Avoiding aggro is a bit more of a challenge only because on some spots there are just too many close together and no alternative routes, though unless it's a cave, that situation is few once you learn the map layout.

Aggroing melee mobs is not much of a problem in a speeder since you have to get damaged before it detoggles. The ranged mobs are tricky to break line of sight before they fire but i've done that enough times to know it's possible. And even without a speeder or it detoggled, if you have enough room to run and can survive long enough, it's still possible to outrun them till you break aggro and they run back, but that is more challenging.

While learning aggro avoidance i did notice something about how they handle aggro over there but haven't fully tested it. Unlike here, very grey mobs over there does still aggro but their aggro range decreases depending on the level disparity between you and the mob (or zone...not sure.) If the mob is lower than you...you have more leeway to avoid them and if they are very low from you, you'll have to practically bump into them before they aggro. The reverse seems to be true...if you are very low compared to the mob/zone, they'll see you from a mile away. So with those in mind, i take appropriate actions.

Is travel in CoX faster than other mmos? Yes in many cases. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad...just depends on how the rest of the game is. I mentioned before, there are things you can do while waiting (crew skills) or even while traveling...i've done that while autorunning on speeder many times.

With the following sentiment i may be in the minority among the CoX players but having fast travel does have a negative side. I've mentioned upthread that the persistent zones that the devs have put lots of work on eventually becomes a burden, a hurdle to avoid.

I guess it makes sense to have quick travel here because there's not much else to distract you from traveling.

I would agree on better communication but i think that's being worked on right now or can be added at some point.

Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU

So, what basics would you assume should be included in ALL MMO's, and why should they be included.

Does this include stuff that, if it were included, would break the "lore" of the game world just for convenience sake of the players ie team up teleporter/Mission TP for example...

I am interested by this, because there are *some* things that i feel that CoX gets horribly wrong (level capped contacts which then results in the "broken" TF style Oroborus flashback system)... and yet, would this be included as an "essential" part of an MMO?

Most other MMO's tend to just have a minimum level requirement for a mission giver, i cannot think of ONE that has a "maximum" level requirement on top of the minimum.

The Mission TP is a *great* boon for CoX, especially for TF's that run across several zones... it is even better when used in conjunction with "Assemble the team", but are these actually *essential* for a game?

Because to be honest, without them, the game is *fine*... they are just a QoL bought convenience.

Originally Posted by InfamousBrad

Am I the only one who likes King's Row the way it is?

OK, that's not entirely true. Given my druthers, I would make two changes to it, both of them relatively trivial. I would rewrite the contacts' missions into actual story arcs. And I would replace one of the construction sites with the Cyrus Thompson Community Center from the end of Top Cow comic #6. But other than that? Leave it alone! Go make Steel Canyon less gang-infested, go push the Rikti into the alleys off Founder's Falls, go wrap up the story of Perez Park, give Boomtown at least some blue FEMA tarps, but leave King's Row (mostly) the way it is!

And I'll tell you why: ever since issue 4, stepping off the tram into King's Row is the first minute I feel like I'm actually needed. The people of King's Row need heroes, because, even with Blue Steel standing there, even with Paragon PD headquarters in the zone, it is obvious just walking through it: ever since Statesman bankrupted the King Garment Works for their Family ties, King's Row is the neighborhood that everybody else left behind, that nobody cares about.

When you step into King's Row for the first time, you may be only a level 5 hero, but these people don't even have that much.

When you step into King's Row for the first time, you may not know anything about the Circle of Thorns and the war of the gods, and you may not know anything about which of the city's many villain groups and corporations are Nemesis plots. But those are two of the main long-running story lines (the other two being Arachnos and the Fifth Column/Council conspiracy), and the clues that break both start with gang and street-crime crackdowns in King's Row. When you're level 5, you're so far back in the storyline that none of your contacts know anything; the time you spent street-sweeping in KR is why, thanks to you, your later contacts know enough to help you crack the conspiracies.

I love King's Row. Update the story tech, fill in the one missing building, but please, leave the rest of it the way it is!

Originally Posted by SuperOz

Edit: I did want to say I agree with EvilGeko's post in that I think there's a lot of expectations for all the bells and whistles to be on a new game at launch, which I find highly ironic given how little this game started out with and now people have a wealth of riches thanks to seven years of fixes. It's an unfair comparison given the other game is just over two months' old...


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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect

Staff Fighting is not until April. We will continue to reiterate this until it penetrates all the way to the grey matter.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

It doesn't always have to be Trials - like so far, Hero 1's story has been told with a TF, and 2 normal mission arcs - while the Clockwork King only appears in 2 TFs at the moment.
The devs just pick the mission type and mission tech that they think will be the best way of communicating the story they want to tell to the players - like the way they chose to explore pre-war Praetorian Earth with solo and standard 1-8 story arcs, then switched to TFs and 8-24 Trials to show the massive threat of the now Well-empowered loyalists.

Originally Posted by Tenzhi

I've never had a ton of fun in this game. There's been fun, mind you, just not in the ton range. And level 16 is certainly not where the bulk of that fun has been.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

Actually, the devs design cones and AoEs in degrees, and the design tools convert this to radians because screw degrees. So the implemented formula in the design tools probably uses radians, but the formula the devs would know "on paper" is in degrees.

Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim

I thought the exact same thing. I don't know if it's just me but Issue 22 has really taken the cake for showing just how little the writing team cares.