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Or VEAT/HEAT scales. Since, y'know, they are an Assault/Armour AT. And they work perfectly fine.

Not sure wether it'd be coloured blasts or more like AR, with weapon customisation. Considering it is, y'know, a weapon set

Yeah, High was a bit of a vague term. One thing that bugs me in game is that sets are not classed 'minor, moderate, high' etc in relation to other sets. They are classed in relation to the same set. So, even though Flares and Charged Bolts do the exact same damage, Flares is classed as minor, while CB is classed as Moderate. Gets really darn confusing real fast >_<

But yeah, bump up the Shrieker shell to Superior/Extreme damage, whichever is normal for snipers.

...Thats false on so many levels. Thats assuming that no one else took Stamina on their Brutes/Stalkers... Heck, people still take fitness atm with Willpower and Regen, and I bet a few take it with EA anyway.
The changes just means that EA is doubly good at keeping end. Stamina doesn't magically make all your endurance problems go away. It just means your not absolutely smegging useless past level 20.

Woh, woh, easy on the caps and high horse please. I never said you had less slots, anywhere. And, actaully, it's kinda hard to take powers that don't require slots. I like to at least get some use out of powers I take without them sucking.

Again, I'm not saying this is a bad thing. Christ, I was the one with size 5 HELL YEAH in the very start of the thread. Why would I chang opinion on something I've been raging..*ahem* suggesting on and off for a year or so now?

I'm saying these changes will require some build tweaks. And I've still never been sure why the last two powers have always been slot starved in comparison to others at the high end. Still, I didn't design it *shrug*

It may be fair enough for the characters creator to not mind the consequences. But they alone aren't the only ones that would have been effected by this.

Let me try and slap it into diagram form, 'cos my description tends to get too convuluted.

St Johns attack
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Robot has the Courts symbol on it -> Tomb actually behind it
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Court blamed for attack - Attack scale on par with 9/11 in real world, other catastrophies in Paragonverse
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Full on war waged against Court. UN, USA, other outside forces.
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ONLY POSSIBLE OUTCOME;
Death/destruction of every character in the Court.

This is unless the universe was god-moded further and saying 'Oh, they couldn't kill us all, etc etc'. It would happen. US armed forces, Freedom Phalanx, a bunch of other Hero and possibly even Villain SGs, ALL versus the Court. They would ALL die.

And thats simply not fair on all the other players who are in it. I personally don't mind the Court; it's another RP super group, whats to dislike? I may not see eye to eye with all the players that are part of it, but thats niether here nor there. I can't just shrug and wave away the destruction of a SG full of other peoples chars, nor can I just fudge it to 'oh they ran away' or some fail reasoning like that. It had to be fixed to avoid breaking.

I've probably made it fairly clear before who I don't see eye to eye with. But I'm never going to let that get in the way of RP so long as the RP is being handled ok. God-moding an entire setting isn't being handled ok, frankly. CB changed it and was agreeable and decent about it. Others...weren't. I'm going to leave it at that. But I for one am arguing for the sake of 'Stuff not being snarfed up on a Unionverse level', not just because I don't like people.

The fact about the schools numbers and them being on or just off holiday was valid. The over-analysis of Tomb? Yeah, what I said; over-analysis. The world can be pretty messed up, people! But theres a difference between one messed up character and actively messing up a game setting.

Did ya get your vodka?

Agreed. His old look was fine. In fact, it was better.

I don't consider it 'PnP' until it's actual pen and actual paper! XD
How the smegging frag do you weep into a word document anyway?

*watches Omy's computer fritz and blow up in his face*
Oh...that's how...Neat

No, he's actaully right on this one.
Think about it, at current, say my DP/Psi blaster has all her powers and the fitness trio. That works just fine.

Now Fitness is made Inherent powers. So I have the exact same powers, and as you said the three new ones. Say I take boxing, tough and weave.

I now need to find the slots to put in tough and weave (boxing I'll leave at one) to make them actually worth having. And thats if I dont want to keep Health and Stamina 3 slotted.

So, there will indeed be a slot 'shortage' as it were. It won't affect every AT or every set the same way, but some may find it trickier to balance than others.

Still in full support of it, but it may lead to some radical build re-shufflings across the board.

It wasn't so much it's 'former glory'...
More like 'Formerly not sucking quite as badly as it really does now.'

Give 'em VEAT scales. Veat's have decent damage output and a decent defence output. That way both the defence and res based sets would scale to a level that was more balanced.

And *I* damn well play a Huntsman variant on my bane! Pre-24 SoA's simply aren't that bad, especially once you get the holy AoE barrage that is AoE Web, Venom grenade, Frag and Heavy Burst. Stuff dies. And it ain't you. After 24 they just get nastier. Hide? More armour? The chance to get critical damage for jamming a bayonet in someones ribs?
Nuff said.

See, this is the problem; people are so deadset that armour instantly has to mean scrapper or tanker levels of tough.

We already have a blast/armour AT. The VEATs. People blithering on about how 'Oh, a ranged/armour AT would be OP, tankmage!!1' No they aren't! Niether the HEATs or VEATs are OP'd! But they have blasts, they have armour. Why is it so hard to move that to, say, a DP/SR? Energy/Invul? Fire blast/Fire armour? It could be balanced. And I still hope it happens one day. I'd have to break my metaphorical piggy bank on character slots...

She's DP/Psi. Believe me, I'm trying It's a lot harder than it looks. This is why I keep pushing for a Ranged or Assault/Armour AT; it's the one massive hole we cannot fill in the types of characters we make.

For the most part I'd agree. I do get annoyed when the game simply won't allow cerain concepts (Like Jen Kerringer, who would be a DP/SR 'Something', but I can't do that. So bleah. I guess I'll mess around with her slotting more when I19 comes around)

There's a character I could rant about, but I won't, because I can see where that would take the thread.

PnP nothing, 'Lev. I've never PnP'd in my life, and I think the original death toll was jsut plain daft. It left no room at all for any other outcome other than 'Total war on the Court, resulting in their destruction'. The original figure was only a k short of the 9/11 attacks, and all of the victims were kids.

I...really am struggling to see why people have a problem with why it was asked to be changed. I personally was quite interested in not seeing the chaos that would ensue when an entire SG was asked to disband and delete their toons, due to having been hunted down and exterminated by the US, UN and Heroes/Villains of the Isles. That was the only outcome that those figures could allow. Anything else would just be a god-moding counter-godmode spiral. And I dont want to go into that, cos we'll be here all day.

The attack? Fine. I have no problem with it. The plot? Again, no problem. Tomb? She's creepy as hell, and thus I find her an interesting and so far well written character. She might not be to everyones tastes, but thats perfectly normal.