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Quote:The only problem seems to be one you have, in that anyone level whatever HAS to have a certain power level.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Now if you want your character who is OOC level 40 but you want them as level 1-5 IC we have a problem, your character directly conflicts the setting, by saying the FBSA have grossly misjudged your character. Since Azuria aside, the FBSA aren't shown to be incompetent, then you are directly challenging the lore of the setting.
In all practicality, a baseline human would nearly never be classed the same as a meta human with powers. Yet thats what we get. Guess why? Because it's a game mechanic.
I think I'm going to leave this to Z, Floaty and Omy, because they seem better at getting the point across without coming off like they want to gnaw someones face off, however. >_> -
Quote:Shop managing: InferiorOriginally Posted by Zortel
Yes, it's full of charm, humour and fun. It may get a little repetitive later on, having dungeon crawling elements and all, but the characters are bright, vibrant and a good laugh, and I've been really enjoying playing it. Go go Indie Gaming. /offtopic.
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Quote:Well, in that case EVERY Hero has defeated Frostfire at the height of his power, EVERY Hero has 'killed' Nemesis, EVERY Hero has overseen the signing of the Rikti Peace Treaty, EVERY Hero has revealed the truth about Faultline, EVERY Hero-Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
It's not just a game mechanic when it is referred to IC within the game universe!
Then it becomes part of the setting.
Y'see my point?
Oh, and Lt Sefu Tndaji has risen from the dead more times than Optimus Prime.
And THAT is a bigger pile of BS right there. -
Quote:No, she's saying that your taking game mechanics literally, to the point that we're all having a disconnect here.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
So what you are saying Z, is for some reason that the US governments method of rating a hero is IC'ly mistaken in Arrows case?
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Levelling system = Required MMO game mechanic
Level gate contacts and content = Required MMO game mechanic
While I don't have too much trouble with the mediport system itself, in some cases going instantly back to 100% health does = required MMO game mechanic
Same reason you can't do x, y or z, until your teamed up with a mentor, then its all handwaved, no matter what (with the exception of TFs, again for game mechanic reasons)
So, no, that arguement doesn't hold water. -
I think that's probably a much better way of what I try to get across, Sam.
Endurance management is fine and dandy. I would argue against removing it.
But Stamina is, pretty much, mandatory to even functioning on a basic level, just to fight 0/0 mobs. And, previously, you had to sacrifice three power picks just to do that. THAT right there is what my beef was always with, because it sucked IMO. -
Quote:Theres a difference between 'Not being at full might at level 1', which is a sensible and perfectly fine design aim that I agree and have no problem with, and 'Sucking endurance until Stamin when it magically and provably gets better', which is just plain daft.Originally Posted by Leo_G
And how much of that has to do with stamina/fitness? Or is the fact you have fewer slots, weaker enhancements, not fully developed stats and fewer powers not a factor here?
Apparently, the devs don't want you to be at full might at lvl 1 for gameplay purposes or replay value. You could always complain to the devs we deserve all our slots and powers plus the ability to slot purples at the start...it make about as much relative sense.
It's not a 'challenge', it's jsut plain 'Not Fun'. -
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Quote:Uhm...actually, it mostly really isn't.Originally Posted by Leo_G
So what I say isn't true? Hardly, considering the whole 'I gotta run scared mid-fight cuz I'm out of blue' isn't magically resolved by getting stamina so there's bigger issues at hand.
Theres a reason I hate levels...oo, around level 12-20, even 22. It doesnt seem to matter what AT; around those level my endurance just goes through the floor. Every. Damn. Fight. (This is solo, mind, on 0/0 )
'L2Play' in that case is not only untrue, it's mildly offensive. I do every possible thing to conserve endurance. I slot as best I can at those levels. I avoid AoEs on single targets. I turn off sprint and toggles I dont need. All that crap.
Does it work? NO. Otherwise I wouldnt be complaining about it would I? -
Quote:Originally Posted by Zortel
This is the same in that Other Game. My character (A mage providing arcane expertise to an investigation firm) is not running about collecting Wombat Toes IC or defeating big bads.
If someone tells me "You shouldn't do that if it's not IC." I'll reply with "It's not IC anyway, so be cool, bruddah."
Unless they're saying "You should level another mage to max level if you want to do that! >o<"
In which case I'll tell them just where to sheath a glistening plus five sword of feeblemindedness. And the scabbard too.
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Quote:Buns?!Originally Posted by Dante
It's one of the downsides of having a shared RP environment that encompasses the whole world. Whereas from what I've seen, RP on the NA servers is more 'instanced'. This happens every time a new game event unfolds such as the Rikti invasions or in this case, Incarnates and the Well returning to the world. From what I can see, some people will use the Incarnate system to justify their already existing RP abilities, others will explore the content IC. Some of my characters will do both.
And as far as I'm concerned, I don't give two hoots about who's an Incarnate and who's not. If Incarnate is just another origin along with the current five, then consider how often that matter comes up in regular RP. I don't think I've ever had an RP conversation when the category of our origin or AT or enhancement sets came into play.
I'm just sad that what started as a friendly discussion about how people with RP Incarnates has turned into another bunfight, so for what it's worth OP, sorry.
That won't do, that won't do at all.
Someone fetch me the crumpets and the battle scones!!
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Quote:My IC reasoning is that he (along with the rest of SABRE team IC) are taking a break from the Warzone and such to get some R&R while also mentoring other, younger Heroes and Heroines. I can and will create reasons as needs be and IF needs be.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Honestly?
You should of made the re-roll an IC event. Something weakened him and he now has to learn how to deal with the changes in his powers/equipment.
I did when I rerolled Twilighter.
Hell they do it in comics all the time.
Otherwise to use the Pen and Paper example again, you are wanting everyone and the game mechanics, to treat your character as if he's still your paragon pathed max level paladin, when it says level ten barbarian on his sheet.
But that doesnt magically destroy all the knowledge he has from when he was level 50 as Invul/EM. And if you tell me he has to magically forget it, I will laugh in your face.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Leo_G
Then l2ply, use inspirations or stop thinking you need a bloody full blue bar to function.
I'm still surprised to see people popping blue pills when they have over 1/3 a bar left or wait to recover. Newsflash, you can fight with less than half a bar, and the better you slot the more you get out of that 225% END you have sitting in your inspiration tray.
I'd seriously expect better from you, Leo
@OP
Who's forcing you to change your builds at all? Other than you? Don't bother slotting the powers, stick one common SO or IO in them when you get them, and your toon will play exactly the way it does now with a genuinely free boost. Heck, you don't even have to slot them if you really don't want to.
The only person in control of your builds is you. -
Quote:Answers have to be both logical and actually practical before they are valid.Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Hey, don't facepalm me. I didn't lie, and I didn't sugarcoat things. Just because you don't like my answer to your problem doesn't mean it's not valid.
That's like telling someone who lost a nugget of gold to "Just go root around in the mud in some mountain river, you'll find one again eventually!"
You'll eventually get the same result. But it sure as hell ain't practical.
(That and I'll facepalm whoever I damn well want, fleshling!) -
Quote:No. In fact, EU didn't get level bumps at all.Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Hehehe...
Hey, Tech, they haven't been doing auto bumps to level 50?
I know that they were, but you didn't manage to catch them, eh?
Seems like they should have used that to allow the EUers to continue to help test all aspects.
Then again, you'd probably just file bug reports of words not containing an "ou"!!
(Okay, that was the best non-offensive "joke" my brain could muster at the moment... I'll just leave an IOU for something actually witty).
So, not only did we have no transfer system, but we had no level bumps. So ONLY people with a level 50 that hadn't logged in for GR Beta, Open or Closed, would have been able to test Incarnates. Or those who got into earlier closed Beta, possibly, if the transfer tool was working back then.
Either way, we might as well not have even bothered. -
Quote:Wrong, actually.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
I think (and this may come out far harsher than I intended) what Tech and Omy, both seem to have forgotten is that this is an RPG.
That is to say a Role Playing Game.
A game has rules and constraints, it sets the players boundaries to play within.
What Omy is essentially saying is his maxed out character in Fallout should be considered just the same as some one fresh from the vault. Or that his newly escaped from Prison character in Oblivion should be head of the mages guild, without having to do the quests, simply because he says so.
One of the constraints of this RPG is that as players increase in power/skill/intelligence/magic/whatever their security/threat level increases and thus they can go fight/commit the more dangerous situations.
To become slightly personal, Omy you have characters based on another RPG, Exhalted PnP right?
What you are doing is saying you want to be able to insert these characters into another game without doing any of the work to even get them to be of the equivalent powerlevel within that rule set.
You want to play an Exhalted level character despite your character sheet being that of a level 1 paladin in DnD, you are saying the dice should be stacked as if you were a level 30 with divine path feats.
It just doesn't fly, this isn't after all just a chat forum.
As far as I've seen, Omy wants his level 50 character (or at least some of them) to NOT be treated like that. Like his fully levelled Fallout character to be treated like someone still wandering around Megaton, or an Oblivion character to have never left Imperial City, to use your own analogies.
Really, theres only so far you can push game mecahnics until they become boring, restrictive and, the most important one, not fun.
I'm not talking about level 1 characters having insane power, because that is just pure power-tripping and god-moding. But, to use my example, my currently level 26 Tanker is the same who was previously level 50. Due to game mechanics, I ended up re-rolling him. If your now saying that he has to be weaker than he was simply due to a re-roll, at least IC, then I shall simply laugh at that, and you know it. -
Only that 'Game reality' is taking Game mechanics as infallible and absolute law. Which I and others just simply don't buy.
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Quote:Oh really?Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Actually Omy...
Your threat/security level is an IC thing.
Because when I had to re-rolled my Invul/EM tanker who was level 50 into Invul/Elec (After the EM nerf basically broke how he felt and played), he doesnt suddenly lose access to all the knowledge he has from getting to level 50. He doesn't suddenly lose his Omega level Clearance from the RWZ.
Another example is my Vanguard Colonel. I can't help it that the game doesnt let you pick VG armour at level 1. Thats a purely OOC fact I have to deal with. He's still a VG Colonel, and all that entails. But theres an OOC and IC detach there. -
Quote:A discussion requires two sides willing to listen to the otherOriginally Posted by Golden Girl
Actually, they did - that's why we're having this discussion.
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Quote:.....Originally Posted by Henri
But all your base are belong to me.
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Quote:And you still have yet to give any tangible, empiracel proof that said concept is even real, not just an ideal that people have come up.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Those are all about physics, not souls.
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Quote:Y'know what, GG? Maybe meet people before you judge them. I know my girlfriend would have some very choice words to say about you. As would most of the people I know, though I think most of them would settle for 'unimaginative' and 'irritating'.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
So which drug makes you fall in love, and have all the experiences that come from a relationship?
The belief that robots could ever be the same as real people is the kind of embarrasingly childish fantasy that desperate, anti-social loners with poor people skills dream up in the empty hope that they could find friendship with a machine rather than having to interact with real people - it's the kind of thing that obesssive nerd cliches cling to in their mom's basement - as a goal, it's about as serious and realistic as trying to turn lead into gold, which was an obsession of the proto-nerds in the middle ages
You say one thing, then completely contradict it. You bang on about imagination, and then totally dismiss it at the next step.
Face it; your point of arguement is the exact same people would have used against planes and motorised flight, horseless carriages (cars) and...oh, y'know, the notion that the Earth isn't the centre of the Galaxy? 'It'll never happen!' is the most pathetic arguement ever devised. 'Because I'm/my point of view is right and you're wrong!' is the exact excuse used by the Church for centuries to justify burning scientists, who surprise surprise turned out to be right, simply because they were disproving the existence of the God that was giving them so much control over the common man. -
Yeah, I always go by the final base Mids %, not modifiers. I'm not smart enough for all that
Also, teams of Elec Doms are utterly brutal. Enemies can barely even brawl, most of the time
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Someone... tried to argue with Arcanaville?!
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*looks, then looks up at Daggerpoints 'sketch'*
Darvit. Still feel like I got the face totally wrong. Or, rather, the hair.
I blame Uni for bein' in my base, sappin' my time >_<