Amazing_Shnyet

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proceeds to unleash The Whomping (tm)*

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Sheer genius

Discussion Point :

Who makes the better "Tank", a Warshade or the aforementioned Peace Bringer.
At first glance, id say the PB, as the PBAoE KU is a great tool for Tanking. Warshades equivalent is Dwarf Mire. PBAoE minimal damage, nice range, increasing damage and accuracy for a short time.

So is it fair to say that WS is more like a Fire Tank, ie, "zomg kill zem before they kill me", while PB is more the Ice Tank "zomg control them before they kill me"

Personally i think the PB makes the better "make-shift Tank" just for the fact that it's self heal doesnt need an accuracy check

Although all that changes at 38 obviously. When Warshades get Eclipse........and can Tank in Nova form

Wow, nice, Quantum bosses are certainly a tasty treat and a nice challenge.

I recently started the 30+ Shadowstar Storyarc, with the Infused Freaks. Solo'in a Freak Tank who's newly equipped with slow powers, 2 new ranged attacks, mire, and a new self-heal was definately a surprise

Huzzah for Kheld content.

Congratulations Mother's Love!

It must've been my "Good Luck" to you before i got server-whipped that did it

I'll getchya next time.

Unfortunately it looks like I'v been forced out of this race by the sudden Server Crash affecting a lot of people.

Shame, i was gunna win

It's not arriving. I signed up at about 10-11 o' clock, and still no word.

Nice, I've put my submission in, just waiting on the "Confirmation Email" now..........

Ok i'll be aiming to be there.

"Sir Shnyet" will be the toon name.

And do you mean what SG our main toon is in? 'cos essentially we'll all be in the Gumball SG.

In which case mine is Precision Rangers or just generally 1AT Coalition

Cheers.

Indeed Nuke = teh w1nz!

I use mine as an alpha strike rather than an "oh BEEP" move. With recharges and Hasten, it can be back pretty much every 2-3 mobs.
Aim + Buildup + Nova = every minion taking a nap face down, and every leut and boss needing a minor tickle to fall over. That's anything up to +3's.

It's my fave power, always will be. 'Nuff said

Well im glad we'r finally moving over to the Villainous side. Looking forward to levelling my Stalker (currently level 18).

Now if only I could stop playing my Warshade

But yeah we're all returned to our homes safe and sound and ready to invite new members.

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maybe worth thinking about your slots on Thunderous Blast imo 3 damage and endred is more than is needed for this attack redrec will not help much to get the power back faster.


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Pardon? Did i read that wrong or did you suggest he drops a Recharge reduction for an Endurance Reduction on a nuke?

A nuke'll obv drain all your endurance so it's worthless, and Recharges are a main factor in nukes.
I've slotted my Nova with 3x Dmg, 1xAcc, 2xRecred. So it's up very quickly coupled with Hasten, and although i could probabaly do without the accuracy when combining it with Aim & Buildup, i still noticed a difference when it was slotted.

*shrug*

Linky Linky

......or just look about 4 threads below. IIRC there's one with Invis in there too for ya.
And yeah, those extra 3 slots in Stamina are much more effective elsewhere.

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The damage cap is 400% I think so even with SOs in the powers and build up you'll need five team mates and a red to get there.


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Or SO's and hit 10 people with a double Mire

Cheers for the numbers though, I'd always thought they were nowhere near 10-20%. Good to know.

I see that you're tri-form.
The inherent is only applied when you're in Human Form.........if that clears anything up.

IIRC each AT buffs by 2.5%

Id make it on the Test Server if i had the chance, but the download of the Test Client would be Huge for me and my pantsy connection.
Im reluctant to do it on Live because i PvE a lot more than i PvP and i love my Munitions Epic .

I'll hopefully be gettin a better connection in the near future. Once i do, i'll respec into this and give u a call.

Im sorry fella, but looking at your build again, i just can't seem to get my head around what you want this build to ACTUALLY do?

I see you've taken all the shields, and slotted them heavily. So that makes me think you wanna Tank. But then i see no Orbitting Death to hold aggro, or Sunless Mire to PBAoE aggro, or Inky Aspect to keep you alive while Tanking. If this was the plan aswell you've also missed the self heal to give you a bit more surviveability.

So then maybe i think you want to be a kind of Scrapper. But then you've hardly slotted any damage at all.

I agree with the above post that you've gone OTT with EndRed slotting. Even Tanks dont slot that much and they go around just fine swinging KO Blow and TF etc.

So if you can just please state what you want this build to accomplish in a team or solo, maybe we can be a bit more helpful than just saying "get this", "don't get that" etc.

Thanks.

Earth/Storm might work well. Synergi between Quicksand and the slows from Storm....
Also using the 3 targetted AoE's in Earth, then using Gale to make sure they stay on them with some skill.

*Shrug*

I'm still worried that you havent taken Sunless Mire.

It's the Warshade version of Buildup, but even better when done correctly. It even does ok damage if you want it to.

I think every1 here would agree that Sunless Mire is in the top 3 of the most useful powers for a WS...

Hey Bravo, Welcome to Union, we don't smell, honest..... <.< >.>.

Well at the 1AT, we're a coalition on SG's, each holding one type of AT.

Precision Rangers - Blasters
Union Overlords - Controllers.
Team GBH - Scrappers
SNHS - Defenders
Armoured Core - Tanks
Cosmic Justice - Kheldians.

And they'r all coalitioned to have one large community.
We'r a friendly bunch, and always up for making new mates ingame. Feel free to check us out on our boards RIGHT BY YER or just give us a holla somewhere and we'll come trotting along.
Also it's permitted to have alts in the other SG's, so you could have one of each as some of our longer serving alt-i-tis sufferers do

You've actually just caught us at a turning point really, as we'r finally branching over to Villains, and have set up 1AT coalition over there
Also, Armoured Core (perfect for your Tank) has seen a recent influx of activity, because seeminly every1 wants to roll a Tank! Great news for us squishies!)
We span all levels and always try to accomodate.

Oh and if you have a free global channel available, feel fre to add "1AT" to your channels. If you can survive our OT spam, you'll fit in just fine.

Oh and we also have quite a few folk alternating between Union and Defiant aswell.

Hope to hear from you, and good luck in your Union future, we'r very Tanker friendly

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lol Shnyet, i heard about this in game.


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Haha, my crazy idea's grow in infamy!

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anyone with half a brain will mash you

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So you're saying I'll beat three quarters of the PvP-ers out there? Swish

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i'll actually read the thread later

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Burn!

Cheers for the enthusiastic response anyway buddy, and if i ever get on Test, i'll take you up on the offer

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i reckon it has a down time of 20 secs maybe?

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3 slotted recharge and with hasten on, Power Boost is down for 7 seconds.

As I have always understood it, powerboost will not boost the defence of your toggles whilst its on, buffs only (such as grant invis, fort, build up, etc.) I could be wrong on this though...


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Hmmm yeah that's definately worth a test. I know that it increases Flight Speed or Run speed to active toggles, even if active before hand. Never been too sure about Defense, hence this discussion

Oh and thanks for the Power Boost numbers...

Nice Kron' or to go more blappy Nrg/Nrg route :

1. Blast - 6 slotted
2. Energy Punch - 6 slotted
4. Buildup - 3 slotted
6. Combat Jumping - 5 slotted
8. Hasten - 3 slotted
10. Boxing - 6 slotted
12. Hurdle - 1 slotted
14. Super Jump - 1 slotted
16. Tough - 5 slotted
18. Swift - 1 slotted
20. Stamina - 3 slotted
22. Weave - 5 slotted
24. Bonesmasher - 6 slotted
26. Power Boost - 3 slotted
28. Power Burst - 6 slotted
30. Stealth - 5 slotted
32. Invisibility - 2 slotted
35. Aim - 4 slotted
38. Total Focus - 6 slotted
41. Frozen Armour - 5 slotted
44. Snow Storm - 3 slotted
47. Hibernate - 3 slotted
49. Power Push - 1 slotted

Just as a rough outline. But beware of exemping down cos u could be left with about 2 attacks

Attack chain of Snow Storm, Power Blast, Power Push, Energy Punch, Bonesmasher, Total Focus, Boxing (filler if needs be).

Total Peak Defense of - 57.41%

Seemed to have no problems with slotting, even slotting all Passives and Defense earners with endred. Had slots to spare at the end.

Could be altered due to preference to have 52.16% Defense and a self heal, by dropping Stealth and Invis for Stimulant and Aid Self.

Still a marked improvement on Ice's base 21.4% defense (or 36.4% with PB) and use of other Ice Epic powers....

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I'm quoting from fact, whats the point in fitting in 5 pools in your maths when you can't?

Conserve and end redux wouldn't be enough imo.


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Well I'm quoting from my OP -
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Now all that adds to a measly 16.32 (thats using all 5, which is indeed impossible due to only 4 PP picks, so the best you're gunna get is 13.76)

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So as you can see i DIDNT use all 5 in my maths, as was clearly stated.

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You know theres other things in the ice epic that make it such a great set for PvP, hibernate and snowstorm for example. You know half the french players use ice epic? its their "fotm". Ice epic is a very very strong set because of hibernate and snow storm, i've incorporated it into my ice/devices build. Why more people don't go ice epic i don't know its probably on boards everyone has just said how uber elec epic is. Fact is i rank ice epic over elec. Problem with ice epic is the defence based armour. Force is known as the best because of pff and force of nature not to mention the great armour, all of these make it a very very strong set.

I just can't agree with the notion of making ice epic "viable" by slotting hover and CJ with defences and taking fighting pool, when its already such a great epic.

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Ah finally some constructive crit, thank you. Knew we'd get down to actual points in the end and have a civilised conversation
Indeed, I've duelled some people using Ice Epics in the past (namely an Ice/Devices like yourself) and they were VERY effective.
Thanks for the headsup about the French, I havent been able to attend the Test Server PvP, thats good to know.

I see you run a Spines/SR Scrapper, is that useful in PvP?
I know Blasters with Aim/BU would give you trouble, but how does it fair most of the time against non-buffed opponents? And what are the Defensive Caps for SR without Elude?

I'll get working on a light build now

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lol i don't have to try it to say its daft, first thing i see is you using 5pool powers, your only allowed to use one. Out of those 4 pool powers listed, you don't have fitness say goodbye to prolonged fights, for what? for measily defences. Your also wasting a huge number of slots for low values of defence. Which if you make the actual build i bet there will be places where your lacking in slots, most probably damage. Oh not to mention your running those toggles with no stamina? Good luck with that.

By all means give it a try, its a different thought, just make sure you do it on test server.

Edit: Power boost only boosts the base value. not the enhanced value

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*sigh* nice reading there buddy.

In the OP I discussed the 5 power pools (and put it in my maths)
In the OP i discussed the Power Boost unenhanced-ness (and that's why the final is 62%, not 70% - which I've ALSO stated since)

I DO take your point about Stamina though. Might have to drop one pool, probably hover, to get Fitness. Although running Conserve and enough endred slots, could prob make it work at a stretch.

I dont think slots would be a problem. Anything I'd be taking out would be at least 3 slotted, so the new additions would simply inherit those.
Im gunna have to get on a heroplanner to see if this actually work.
But also as my OP said, this was just a "Musing" not a "zomg this is gunna womp all ur puny foo's you shud all respec to 'dis".
It was just to show it COULD be done, and maybe make people look twice at Ice Epic, since every PvP Tom, Rick and Harry seems to be going Force or Elec.

Oh, and Dominators or Controller EPICS could also get Power Boost and a Defense armour as well so.......

Well a lot of people use forms instead of Stamina. They each have an inherent Stamina which can be enhanced. It's not as potent as Stamina but allows you to stay in the toggle and gain End at a decent rate.
If you've been using Hasten and enough powers to suck your endurance dry, it's a pretty safe bet that you've annhiliated enough to pop out to Human for a quick Stygian.

I've gone to level 30 with a tri-form, and Im still learning. Having to decide which form is best for each situation is exhilerating, and definately taken the most effort ingame, which also makes it the most satisfying when it's done right.

I could use Nova form, hope i kill them before they kill me, then Stygian back to full health
Or I could stand in for the Tank and ease that aggro a little bit, I'll take that boss out of the equation for the team
Or i could stick to Human form and be a controller for the team
Or start in human, get buffed up to the roof, mez the group, change to Nova, blast until im blue in the face, and change to dwarf if i get scared.,

Then whereas the last option sounds the most effective, you're losing valuable DpS by the inconvenient activation time of changing forms. I just think there are 5 other AT's I could play if i wanted to stay in one form, Im gunna learn to use my forms best i can, and be the best dam Lobster/Crab i can be

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Just buy lucks before you fight.

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*Tsk*

Just drop Buildup and use Red inspirations. Jeez.