Paragon rewards Idea VIP tier 9

I don't see the 2 as related, but I agree i don't see it happening, but then again it doesn't hurt to pitch the idea

Well for VIP's that aren't worried about moving further up the reward tree for whatever reason will have less motivation to buy points if they can get more from trading in reward tokens.

For other players every 1200 points purchased you get 1 Paragon Reward which could then be traded in for more points.

Never hurts to make a suggestion, and while I don't see this particular idea getting added, it's possible the devs might consider way of earning extra points for in game activities.

Might.

They'd have to take care to keep it from being easily abused by farming/grinding.

Another option is they might follow the example of other games and hook up with one of those online survey companies and give points to people that qualify and complete surveys.

this would only be available at the tier 9 VIP spot so you would HAVE to thave moved up the tree. which was stated in the original premise

What you don't think their are tier 9 Premium players that could easily use this for free by sending themselves "Refer a Friend" codes?

Tire 9 VIP ONLY! TIER 9 VIP ONLY, I have stated that. so you would have to Be some one at TIER 9 and be VIP subscriber... please if you are gonna make arguments against my idea at least read it!

REFER A FRIEND CODES GIVES TIER 9 PREMIUM ACCOUNTS FREE VIP STATUS FOR 1 MONTH!

REFER A FRIEND CODES GIVES TIER 9 PREMIUM ACCOUNTS FREE VIP STATUS FOR 1 MONTH!



For someone that's played this game as long as you have you seem terribly unaware of just how large this games tier 9 community is.


There were thousands of tier 9 players in this game when Freedom launched and many more players have joined our ranks since then because buying Paragon Points in bulk made it so much easier to climb the Paragon Reward tree.

And of those tier 9 players many have dropped to Premium because they don't give a damn about Incarnate content, and only sub when it suits themn't sub because they have everything they currently want. They only sub when it suits them. Like when they can use referral codes to get free VIP time.

You also seem to be forgetting that a large portion of our playerbase has multiple accounts and that once Tier 9 has been reached on one account players with multiple accounts simply switched which accounts they've been keeping active so they can get their other accounts up to tier 9.

I understand your upset that you overlooked an obvious exploit but this isn't the first time this idea has been suggested and discussed.

so that knocks out the one month idea what about the once every 3 months? I dunno about you but I don't have enough friends to refer a frien every moth indefinately, I am not upset the idea is being discounted. It just feels like it took more then one post for you to read my suggestion. I don't see any reason why for every 3 months of VIP you can't trade in a token for some points, not to say the points you make aren't valid but I don't see many people being about to get even 1 person a month for 3 months trait to join as a VIP for a month. And if some one is spending enough money to get enough point for token to use to get more points then hell I see that as a good thing its motivation for people to buy gobs of points.

Honestly i think the people can and use such exploits are in the minority

not to mention they could just add a stipulation the slot for the token for points only opens for every 3 PAID months, which would mean no matter how many free months you got from inviting friends or point you bought for extra tokens you'd still only be able to use a token in that slot once every three months for paying so you could have 6 months of free time and sorry charly you can't use your tokens in that slot till you pay for three months

the Tier 9 VIP are not consumables at any time it consists of 6 costume packs 3 that make up one set 3 that make up a second set (ATM this is Mecha and fire/ice) and one repeatable reward in the form of the hero/villian tarot game in which the cards yield costume pieces , some consumables and enhancements which can be unslotted assuming any of your rolls grant you one or one drops in game. So while the Tarot game is a "consumable" its self a good number of the rewards from it are not.

The issue I see here is as such, If the reason you are maintaining VIP is for the T9 VIP costumes, but either you have them all currently or are disinterested in the current ones and like me could give less two flying farts about the regular tier 9 repeatable stuff you really have no motivation to maintain a PAID VIP account, but if you can trade in a token (or maybe 3 tokens) once every 3 months of PAID time for an extra 300pp you might be more willing to keep it as it would make affording the powers and costumes you do want a bit easier. Meaning that instead of making about $15 ever 2 - 3 months when they release a new costume set and/or power set they get $15 a month.

I am not saying my idea is perfect. In fact the implementation to make sure it could be done with out a huge loss to profits and avoid exploitation would be convoluted at best (then again so are a lot of things they have done for us.) and I even admitted at the beginning of this thread my original motivations for this Idea are self serving in that I am broke and just shy of the points I need for the new nature affinity power set :P

Honestly, what I think is irritating me the most atm is that when ever some one comes up with an Idea regardless of how good or bad it is (and I am not claiming that this one is necessarily good) you almost never see any one say "yea that is a great idea" or "here is how this Idea could work" or "Nice concept but it might work better if"... its always a bunch of people saying "oh that could never happen."

and we have a lot of things now that "could never happen" at one time... and I am not exempt from telling a person that something probably won't happen, but that said ubnless i disagree with the idea (IE some one suggesting we go back to fire tanks with SS being able to agro a whole map to the front ) I try to come up with a solution how it might work IF it did happen. (IE the guy who wants to change penelope's costume)

I see that being more likely in the future than being able to earn the points in game.

I've done a few surveys for other games. There are worse things in the world.

So...

...there exists this hypothetical pool of people who value a sub solely for access to the VIP Tier 9 costumes. Of these people, there is a subset who aren't willing to maintain their subscription for the 550PP a month they get right now, but would be willing to maintain a subscription for 550PP a month PLUS 300PP every three months.

I think that pool of people is small. I know they're bad at maths.

If you're broke, and you really don't want anything else that a sub gives you other than access to the VIP costumes, then you should probably unsub to get the best value for you. You'll be able to buy far more PPs than you would get in VIP bonuses, sub for a month a couple of times a year to pick up the costumes, and still spend less money to do it.

I said there might be people who don't like any of the tier 9 VIP costume sets... I am not one of them I infact have the full mecha and full celestial set (wasn't super keen on elemental stuff but have 2 of three of those any way no real plans to get the 3rd atm) and I like other perks as well I wouldn't pay $15 a month just for the VIP costume stuff :P

I just figured I'd argue this any way I can, but sadly I am obviously beat on this one. Cause when it come right down to it I will get another 550pts (assuming I can afford my sub when its up) when my sub renews and i can get the natures affinity power then... i just hate waiting ~shrug~

Doesn't that require the person paying at least one month's sub fee? In which case, is that really a loop hole?

To the OP: Not a bad idea, but not one that I think the powers of NCSoft would opt for. More P-Points being handed out freely probably isn't their idea of good money making either.

Now, it might not be a bad suggestion to make it so that you could purchase new powersets with VIP T9 slots. But I think you'd have to burn two tokens for a powerset. And I'm not sure they can make that work on the reward system as it's structured now. I've thought about suggesting that before, since tokens build up quite a bit for me.

Yep. I know spouses, BF/GF's, parents with kids who use this to get free VIP time for accounts they don't keep active all the time because they've already reached tier 9 and unlocked the rewards they wanted.

I've even seen people admit to doing it in the occasional thread asking about referral codes.



An interesting train of thought but one that can already be done with the free stipend VIP's get each month. (2 tokens being the equivalent of 2 months stipend) so I don't see the devs implementing it.

I doubt anyone actually enjoys waiting when they have to watch others getting to use the object they desire. I hope the time passes quickly for you or a solution presents itself for you.

Either way, they're still paying for the month of T9 VIP time. So you're example is a little flawed. Regardless, though, handing out free points on top of what we get probably isn't something NC Soft would be keen on (I think).

Well, for people who don't like the T9 VIP options, those tokens get little mileage. Sure, they can save up a few months of points to get a power set, but in the mean time, their tokens aren't doing much. Now, if you require multiple tokens to "buy" a set, then you're at least getting a few sub fees. So long as the Token requirement is balanced out correctly, it wouldn't be any different from using a Token to get 5 Super Packs instead of burning points to get Super Packs.

Well the referral code feature is in itself slightly flawed since it can be used in an overly complicated way to get free VIP status for those willing to jump thru hoops to do it. But there are people willing to do it.


Now I'm not claiming it would be the sole reason behind why the devs wouldn't do it, but I think it is something they'll consider before deciding.


This is what I was thinking when I said it's an interesting train of thought.

Well, you also said you don't see the devs (more accurately NCSoft) implementing it. I'm just trying to say that it's equivalent to buying Super Packs with Reward Merits, so I don't see why they wouldn't. It would just be another option for T9 VIPs who haven't found much use for their merits.

Personally, I find many of the T9 VIP options pretty... meh. Costume choices were good, but the rest I don't see much value in outside of the 5 Super Packs option. And the next costume set doesn't really interest me. If powesets were something that could be saved for with them, I'd feel like I had some better options.

Seeing as the hybrid model CoH adopted was because they wanted their veteran base to feel appreciated. I don't feel terribly appreciated when I can only choose things that I don't care to have. Making more options available would be a good way to go about making that population happier customers.

I think we agree somewhat, and maybe we're just splitting some hairs here and I've misread you. But I don't think something like this is out of the question and wouldn't be a loss of money for NCSoft if done right.

You are correct I did say that. I said that because I have watched the devs shoot down ideas I agreed with before for various reasons.

Sometimes the reasons are technical, and other times it's simply shot down because they don't want to do it.

For example, we have long requested that the devs add a feature that allows us to send offline SG invites to our own characters. In response we have flat out been told that if they ever added such a feature to the game they would deliberately code it so we couldn't send offline SG invites to our own characters.


Another example is the Power Slide sprint power. There have been many requests over the years asking the devs to sell that power again, but every time it gets brought up we get told no. Someone whose name is never mentioned (usually that means someone in management) is responsible for shooting down the idea, and they would have to stop working for the company before Power Slide could be considered for rerelease.

Just because they could make money doing something doesn't mean they'll decide to add it to the game.

yea the powers at NC and Paragon are funny like that some times they give us something even though its not profit wise and some times they will deny us stuff to spite the ability to make profits (the CoV DVD pack stuff comes to mind along with the power slide)

It's a two edged sword. On one hand it can be annoying that they are unwilling to do certain things that would make money, but on the other hand it's reassuring to know that because they aren't solely motivated by greed we are unlikely to see the type of nickel and diming that goes on in other micro-transaction driven games. For example

Selling a lockbox that can't opened unless you also buy a key to unlock it.

Taking items that used to be account wide unlocks and making them character specific unlocks that have to be purchased for each character.

Add missions to the game that cannot be completed without buying an item from the store.

Well, what they've done or haven't done before has no bearing on whether they would or wouldn't do what's suggested in this thread. I get where you're coming from, but I don't think it requires a negative outlook. Just let a suggestion be a suggestion in that case.

You know what? Thank you very much for coming up with a "simple and elegant plan" that is, in fact, simple and elegant. Generally speaking, when I see a post use that term (or similar), I have to fight the urge to put a sack over my head. Or mentally change it to "simple and elephant"... or something like that...