Full tray woes and forcefeeding candy
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Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2012-07-25 22:41 in Suggestions and Ideas
Er... no. If I'm not using them, I'm not using them - I may, for instance, be holding up for a boss fight I *know* is coming at the end, with a tray of purples, reds, maybe blues if I'm iffy on Endurance. Having those "autocast" on me (and filling me with, say, breakfrees on a tank, some awakens, etc.) would *seriously* annoy me.
Now if you're talking about stuff that *would* (in theory) drop being auto-cast... again, if I don't need it, no, I don't want it particularly. There are times, for instance, that I'm watching my damage, trying not to hit a certain point (or trying to get away from whatever it is before doing the last bit of damage) that getting a red suddenly dropped on me would screw up. (For instance, super stunners - or trying to be sure I've got a Fake nemesis or Power paragon protector in a position they can't PFF/MOG at me and waste my time.) And what are you going to do with Awakens?
As long as there is an "opt out" feature, that pretty much dismisses all the "woes" raised in Bill's post.
I see no issue with this at all.
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Yeah - I'm not sure if I was unclear in the original post, this would not touch your existing inspirations. What's in the tray stays in the tray.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Er... no. If I'm not using them, I'm not using them - I may, for instance, be holding up for a boss fight I *know* is coming at the end, with a tray of purples, reds, maybe blues if I'm iffy on Endurance. Having those "autocast" on me (and filling me with, say, breakfrees on a tank, some awakens, etc.) would *seriously* annoy me.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Now if you're talking about stuff that *would* (in theory) drop being auto-cast... again, if I don't need it, no, I don't want it particularly. There are times, for instance, that I'm watching my damage, trying not to hit a certain point (or trying to get away from whatever it is before doing the last bit of damage) that getting a red suddenly dropped on me would screw up. (For instance, super stunners - or trying to be sure I've got a Fake nemesis or Power paragon protector in a position they can't PFF/MOG at me and waste my time.) And what are you going to do with Awakens?
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Pretty cool idea. I don't think the devs would like it though it will throw off all their careful balance calculations.
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How would balance factor into it? Unless you look at it as one more inspiration slot, which you immediately use... but I'm not sure how much of a balance impact that would amount to.
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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
Pretty cool idea. I don't think the devs would like it though it will throw off all their careful balance calculations.
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One more inspiration slot? When fighting on +4 my tray fills up quite quickly it would be equivalent to like 3 or 4 more insp slots.
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Not really, because they would be used automatically. Think of it as always keeping an eye on your inspiration tray and immediately eating the inspiration that filled the last available spot.
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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
One more inspiration slot? When fighting on +4 my tray fills up quite quickly it would be equivalent to like 3 or 4 more insp slots.
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I could see it working if it was only insps dropped on you by teammates, rather than all the ones that would have dropped.
Well, of course it would be insps dropped on you by teammates, that's what the OP said.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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If it would let me do this:|
Originally Posted by Quinch
How would balance factor into it? Unless you look at it as one more inspiration slot, which you immediately use... but I'm not sure how much of a balance impact that would amount to.
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...and also automatically get full benefit from the otherwise-wasted insps that drop, man, that would be staggeringly awesome. (When you're using a lot of Righteous Rages and are soloing x8 on a character with good AoE, you get inspirations falling into your available spaces faster than they can easily be used.)
But really, how often do I do that, though?
All. The. Time.
It wouldn't necessarily break the game, but there would definitely be balance implications. I think it's an interesting idea, though.
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Yes, but all the follow up posts talk about also using all the insps that WOULD have dropped if your tray wasn't full. That seems OP to me, although would be fun on a steam roll team. |
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Well, of course it would be insps dropped on you by teammates, that's what the OP said.
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As a variation on this - how about autocasting an inspiration on someone when I'm trying to give it to them, and their tray is full? Especially useful if someone falls in combat with a full insp tray, and I'm trying to hand them a wakie.
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The problem here is that it's a great way to force extra debt on people who died and are trying to wait until the immediate threat has past before getting up. It would be pretty easy to use this, in several situations, to grief a teammate through that debt.
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Originally Posted by DJ_Korith
As a variation on this - how about autocasting an inspiration on someone when I'm trying to give it to them, and their tray is full? Especially useful if someone falls in combat with a full insp tray, and I'm trying to hand them a wakie.
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There are plenty of other ways to grief, and that can be solved by a kick and ignore.|
Originally Posted by CoyoteShaman
The problem here is that it's a great way to force extra debt on people who died and are trying to wait until the immediate threat has past before getting up. It would be pretty easy to use this, in several situations, to grief a teammate through that debt.
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Also, wake inspirations also grant a temporary debt protection.
If they die with a full insp tray and I get the "this peep has no room" when I am trying to drop a wakie on them, I assume they have everything under control and they intended to be horizontal.
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Originally Posted by Quinch
Not-so-random thought - a lot of players, I noticed, don't use their inspirations. Maybe it's forgetfulness, maybe they just don't bother to, it doesn't matter, really. Now, would it be possible to, if the inspiration tray is full, instead of vanishing or returning a "has no space in inventory" error, the overflow is automatically cast on the recipient? I don't think anyone would complain about any of the buffs that come with inspirations being cast on them randomly, but just in case, throw in a default-on option that toggles between current and auto-use behavior?
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On my main tank:
- Running SS, so I'm essentially damaged capped as it is. I'm running perma-Rage (with it doubled 50% of the time). So reds do jack for me, and I'm hitting regularly so yellows aren't really doing anything either (save on the few occasion's I'm blinded). My occasional misses are rolls that are going to be misses regardless.
- I'm defense capped and push into the mid-to-upper 50's when fully saturated with enemies. Save the occasional psi-heavy mob, purples don't do much for me. Nor do oranges. On the rare occasions I actually could use a green, I take one.
- I'm a tank. Most of the mez that can actually affect me won't be ameliorated by breakfrees.
- I'm built to be ridiculously Endurance-efficient. So I only really need blues in VERY protracted fights where I'm essentially pseudoscrapping. The occasional End-drain mob will send me to a blue when necessary.
- I haven't done a Hami raid in a while.
- Edens are few and far between.
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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
If they die with a full insp tray and I get the "this peep has no room" when I am trying to drop a wakie on them, I assume they have everything under control and they intended to be horizontal.
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Or the fact that inspies are dropping so fast that they filled between the time that they keeled over and the time you got to them to drop something.
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...you're already capped to the gills. Which doesn't relate to the vast majority of characters who aren't. If wouldn't help him, fine - wouldn't hurt him either.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
On my main tank:
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This is what the OP is all about for the love of Pete. It's like some people are reading the wrong thread. lol
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Originally Posted by DJ_Korith
As a variation on this - how about autocasting an inspiration on someone when I'm trying to give it to them, and their tray is full? Especially useful if someone falls in combat with a full insp tray, and I'm trying to hand them a wakie.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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I can't speak for anyone else but I want nothing to do with the love of Pete. I will however take Pete's Sake. |
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
This is what the OP is all about for the love of Pete.
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I've always been fond of Sake Bombs.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
This is what the OP is all about for the love of Pete. It's like some people are reading the wrong thread. lol
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Originally Posted by Quinch
instead of vanishing or returning a "has no space in inventory" error, the overflow is automatically cast on the recipient?
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Not-so-random thought - a lot of players, I noticed, don't use their inspirations. Maybe it's forgetfulness, maybe they just don't bother to, it doesn't matter, really. Now, would it be possible to, if the inspiration tray is full, instead of vanishing or returning a "has no space in inventory" error, the overflow is automatically cast on the recipient? I don't think anyone would complain about any of the buffs that come with inspirations being cast on them randomly, but just in case, throw in a default-on option that toggles between current and auto-use behavior?