How is Regen these days?

So I've been having a lot of fun lately with my long-retired Spines/Regen Scrapper. He's not slotted too well since he's been collecting dust for so long, but he does okay most of the time as long as I'm not spacing out at the keyboard. I'm tempted to give him a serious (i.e. expensive) overhaul since I know he can be better and I'm having so much fun with him, but I'm a little concerned about Regen's potential in the current endgame.

I was able to pull together a build in Mids with perma-Hasten, ~35% S/L defense, plus a few other perks, but I still feel apprehensive about it. I'm used to my decked-out BS/WP Scrapper who can stand up to just about anything without much effort and my MA/SR Stalker who is also IO'ed to the gills and avoids almost all damage. I don't like the idea of dropping a billion Influence on my Spines/Regen if he's simply not capable of reaching a similar potential. I'd sooner save my Influence for my future Nature/Water Defender...

So this all boils down to one question: how does Regen hold up in practice these days?

In a team, Regen is phenomenal -- it really helps if you can duck out of aggro or if someone is buffing your res/def. Solo, it's a bit harder.

I'd aim for perma-dull pain and 32.5 positionals (melee/ranged in particular), but perma-hasten (unless a side effect of perma-dull pain) is just icing. Most of the very best Regen builds these days use a primary with a def-booster, but the -rech in Spines offers at least some soft mitigation.

Regen is top tier at a low to mid price range. They fall off slightly in the mid-high price range. But in any range they are good to great.

They do not work without effort though. A lot of their mitigation comes from interacting with the game outside of attacking. Using the clicks is important. This is a flavor/preference issue, not a power one. I love my WP and Regens, because I like to play multiple styles.

Regen is amazing, the more effort and time and influence you put into it...the better it gets...and it starts out good...plus now we have things like rebirth radial destiny and access to shadowmeld...and other things we didn't have before that makes it even better.

I would be building for 32.5% S/L/E/N or shoot for something like 40-45% S/L...and build for tons of recharge...you can easily get your toon over 160%+ global recharge with hasten permanent.

Yes, Hot..until his Handstomp comes down for 2000 damage and you go splat.

Oh it got you? As in..dead? That is such a..great endorsement for the set. Not trying to be snarky..ok, a lil. But saying you can sit in Tyrant's aoe, hardly gives a great feel to people asking how the set is..when you died anyway. And when any AT with Rebirth (granted, a couple of rebirths) could hit that hp/sec.
I like regen myself. But Id regard it as a lil squishy.

I don't like the DPS hit you take from the activation time of all the clickies when trying to survive top end content. Particularly the ponderous animation of Shadow Meld.

I want to like regen, I truly do, but it does feel at times I'm spending more time to stay alive than to kill my enemies.

I'm still of the opinion toggle IH and a much faster activating MoG wouldn't make the set OP in any way. The aforementioned time spent using clickies coupled with the complete lack of defense and DDR give more than enough room for improvements.

Loving the recent rez changes, though - and I'm not being snarky. Death happens, and walking back from the hospital is a chore.

So, to answer the question how does it hold up in practice these days, I just don't think it does, compared to most other secondaries. Thankfully, in this game it still means you can make it incredibly sturdy and succeed at almost every task.

My Fire/Shield scrapper can stand around and pick her nose while two spawns of +4s try in vain to wail on her. It's times playing her that I really think Regen has a raw deal.... Then I log on my BS/Regen main, cranky and annoyed. Then I remember. I'm not at the mercy of the RNG anymore. OP defense debuff using critters...DULL PAIN. Mega damage attack incoming...MOG. Exotic damage....What's that?

Regen gets GODLY the more you stack on it. Regen can survive ANYTHING that can't one-shot it. When the RNG wants to get cheeky Regen has four 'screw you' buttons to mess up its plan.

Thanks for all of the input! It's good to hear that Regen is still alive and well. I'm still leaning towards getting my Scrapper back in his prime, and at least I can now be confident that I wouldn't be completely wasting my time and resources in doing so. I like to think he can still be useful considering that he's one of my heroes that helped me learn the game. His active playstyle sure feels unique among my other heroes.

I've posted the build I had in mind below. I didn't post it originally because I was looking more for powerset advice versus build advice. A few of my build choices probably go against the grain when it comes to getting the most out of Regen. I've been considering the pros and cons:

• Pros
  • Perma-Hasten
  • 35% S/L Defense
  • Decent damage resistance
  • Better than 50% uptime on Instant Healing
• Cons
  • No Shadow Meld
  • High endurance cost
  • Less than ideal accuracy
  • Expensive

• 16.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
• 16.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
• 16.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
• 16.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
• 16.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
• 16.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
• 16.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
• 16.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
• 23.5% Defense(Smashing)
• 23.5% Defense(Lethal)
• 15.06% Defense(Fire)
• 15.06% Defense(Cold)
• 7.25% Defense(Energy)
• 7.25% Defense(Negative)
• 6% Defense(Psionic)
• 22.25% Defense(Melee)
• 8.5% Defense(Ranged)
• 14.75% Defense(AoE)
• 75% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 27% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 12% Enhancement(Heal)
• 5% FlySpeed
• 145.6 HP (10.87%) HitPoints
• 5% JumpHeight
• 5% JumpSpeed
• MezResist(Immobilize) 5.5%
• MezResist(Stun) 4.4%
• MezResist(Terrorized) 6.6%
• 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
• 90% (5.02 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 20% ResEffect(FlySpeed)
• 20% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
• 20% ResEffect(RunSpeed)
• 5.52% Resistance(Smashing)
• 6.78% Resistance(Fire)
• 6.78% Resistance(Cold)
• 3% Resistance(Energy)
• 6.13% Resistance(Negative)
• 3% Resistance(Toxic)
• 3% Resistance(Psionic)
• 5.52% Resistance(Lethal)
• 15% RunSpeed
• 36% ModifyEffect PlayerCrit

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I think you could tweak it a bit to get more Def numbers out of your slotting, but maybe not much.

I'd be a bit concerned with how low Energy Def is. Not really, REALLY concerned, but a bit.

All in all, looks quite viable, and not like a total carbon copy of someone else's spine/regen. Both good things in my book.

Everytime a Regen thread comes up, I go and play with it in Mid's against my better judgement. I need another alt like I need to barbeque with money. I actually have a 50 Dark/Regen shelved I can play with.

Anyway, the thing that strikes me is how much better Regen is on a Brute. It really has to do with Health, which directly affects Regen. My scrapper is capped at 2409 with pretty much Accolades and Dull Pain. A Regen Brute, on the other hand, can hit well over 3100 hit points. That's a 25% increase in hit points and thus regen, on top of perma-Hasten and 30% S/L Defense.