FIRE MANIPILATION: Fiery Embrace!!1!!!!11!!!eleven!11!!!!
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Abysmalyxia,
Posted on: 2012-06-25 20:02 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Instead of replacing burn, I'd like to see it replace Combustion. Or Hot Feet.
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Well, either way it should replace SOMETHING. Fiery Embrace is just tailor made for the Fire Manipulation set.
COH DEVZ... Y U NO ADD FIERY EMBRACE TO FIRE MANIPPLETION?
This is something I posted in the Blaster forum last month or so, but it applies to burn so why not:
1) Find a minion. Eliminate his buddies if he's not alone first.
2) Beanbag.
3) Say in your best Saw voice, "Now we're going to play a little game. Can you stumble out of this oven before you cook to a crisp?" Use ignite on them.
4) If the minion manages to wander out and escape, go back into your Saw voice, "Whoops, wrong way." Drop a burn patch on them.
The Bacon Compels You.
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So,.. you want Fire Manipulation to have two Build Up type* powers?|
Originally Posted by Abysmalyxia
From a 7 year old thread... we were discussing when the blaster secondaries would get looked at... sometime in 2006.
[ QUOTE ] It got put off to Ifinity [/ QUOTE ] If you made that up yourself that was [censored] HILARIOUS. However, /Fire is good stuff. All I'd like to see done is the removal of burn in exchange for Fiery Embrace. I'd like to reiterate my desire to see Fiery Embrace plastered squarely in Fire Manipulation. |
I don't see that ever happening. Once upon a time I could have seen them swapping out Build Up for Fiery Embrace... but not anymore, what with the upcoming Sniper changes (since FE has no ToHit bonus).
*Burst damage increases
@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
So,.. you want Fire Manipulation to have two Build Up type* powers?
I don't see that ever happening. Once upon a time I could have seen them swapping out Build Up for Fiery Embrace... but not anymore, what with the upcoming Sniper changes (since FE has no ToHit bonus). *Burst damage increases |
Well, consider the nature of Fire Manipulation... and I got a 50 Fire/Fire blaster here.. I got an idea of what I'm talking about.
The Fire/Fire blaster is arguably the most brittle character in the game. He has zero defense and ONE... that's right... ONE crowd control effect that doesn't impede him as well (hotfeet makes it so you can't fly, and slows down the enemy a bit too).
What the Fire/Fire blaster does... and does remarkably well is put out gobs and gobs and GOBS of AoE damage. A Fire/Fire blaster has a higher DPS than pretty much anyone in the game when in their element (i.e. surrounded).
However, they are remarkably redundant. Take a look at Fire Manip... seven of the nine powers are some form of AoE, three of which exist to deal damage.
I think my old attack chain would go something like aim/buildup, fbal, fire breath, combustion, firesword circle, and then fbal again... and pretty much everything in the world was dead at that point.
And it was also very redundant.
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I used to have a level 50 Fire/Fire/Flame Blaster, myself. She was easily the safest of all my Blasters because she ended fights before they became dangerous. All my other Blasters, and I have a 50 AR/Dev/Mun and a 50 Energy/Energy/Force, excelled at dragging fights out longer until Gunslingers woke up from a hold and more enemies had more chances to get a lucky shot on me, thus they tended to die and get in a bad way a lot more often.
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Originally Posted by Abysmalyxia
Well, consider the nature of Fire Manipulation... and I got a 50 Fire/Fire blaster here.. I got an idea of what I'm talking about.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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So you're agreeing that having Fiery Embrace would be redundant because cycling your attack powers is redundant, and that a Fire blaster's abilities are in themselves redundant?|
Originally Posted by Abysmalyxia
Well, consider the nature of Fire Manipulation... and I got a 50 Fire/Fire blaster here.. I got an idea of what I'm talking about.
The Fire/Fire blaster is arguably the most brittle character in the game. He has zero defense and ONE... that's right... ONE crowd control effect that doesn't impede him as well (hotfeet makes it so you can't fly, and slows down the enemy a bit too). What the Fire/Fire blaster does... and does remarkably well is put out gobs and gobs and GOBS of AoE damage. A Fire/Fire blaster has a higher DPS than pretty much anyone in the game when in their element (i.e. surrounded). However, they are remarkably redundant. Take a look at Fire Manip... seven of the nine powers are some form of AoE, three of which exist to deal damage. I think my old attack chain would go something like aim/buildup, fbal, fire breath, combustion, firesword circle, and then fbal again... and pretty much everything in the world was dead at that point. And it was also very redundant. |
My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
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You mean would I trade an AoE out of the 993485943875 I've got for another buff power, of which I have two? A thematic buff power no less?|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
So you're agreeing that having Fiery Embrace would be redundant because cycling your attack powers is redundant, and that a Fire blaster's abilities are in themselves redundant?
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Yeah, I feel pretty comfortable going there.
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So you're willing to trade an AoE power for a power that would double your damage on top of Build Up and Aim.|
Originally Posted by Abysmalyxia
You mean would I trade an AoE out of the 993485943875 I've got for another buff power, of which I have two? A thematic buff power no less?
Yeah, I feel pretty comfortable going there. |
I'm gonna go ahead and say that is not a fair trade by game mechanics.
My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
+45% is double now?
Still, what with the cottage rule, I rather strongly doubt any of the powers in Fire Manipulation are going to get traded for Fiery Embrace. Build Up could plausibly be traded so, but with the upcoming snipe changes that wouldn't actually be desirable.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
+45% is double now?
Still, what with the cottage rule, I rather strongly doubt any of the powers in Fire Manipulation are going to get traded for Fiery Embrace. Build Up could plausibly be traded so, but with the upcoming snipe changes that wouldn't actually be desirable. |
I don't know about that. 20 seconds of "better than buildup" is pretty tasty... especially when you take into account that Fire is all about the Aye Oh Eeez anyway.
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I was going off of the assumption that the Blaster FE is similar to the Brute FE; added damage ticks. If it's just a percentage increase, I take back what I said about double.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
+45% is double now?
Still, what with the cottage rule, I rather strongly doubt any of the powers in Fire Manipulation are going to get traded for Fiery Embrace. Build Up could plausibly be traded so, but with the upcoming snipe changes that wouldn't actually be desirable. |
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Originally Posted by Abysmalyxia
I don't know about that. 20 seconds of "better than buildup" is pretty tasty... especially when you take into account that Fire is all about the Aye Oh Eeez anyway.
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My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
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That's the hypothetical I was assuming, as well. But brute FE ticks are 45% of the power's normal damage, not double (that's "additional tick that does 45% of normal power damage", not "+45% damage bonus"). Er... well, I'm not certain that it's exactly 45%, at least not for every power, but it's around there.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I was going off of the assumption that the Blaster FE is similar to the Brute FE; added damage ticks. If it's just a percentage increase, I take back what I said about double.
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Dominators, Corruptors, and Defenders can all get Soul Drain from Soul/Dark Mastery in addition to their Build Up/Aim power.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
So... replace Build Up. You're asking for another Build Up, essentially. The only other AT that comes close to having two boost-up powers are Warshades, and they're Epic AT's. You want three?
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Deamus the Fallen - 50 DM/EA Brute - Lib
Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
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Formally Dragos_Bahtiam - Abbreviate to DSL - Warning, may contain sarcasm
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Forgot about this one. Asking for three is still too much, though.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Dominators, Corruptors, and Defenders can all get Soul Drain from Soul/Dark Mastery in addition to their Build Up/Aim power.
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My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
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I see no reason why not. =)
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
You want three?
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Go take Assault Radial then.
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Originally Posted by Abysmalyxia
I see no reason why not. =)
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Deamus the Fallen - 50 DM/EA Brute - Lib
Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
/facepalm - Apply Directly to the Forehead!
Formally Dragos_Bahtiam - Abbreviate to DSL - Warning, may contain sarcasm
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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You know they COULD change Build Up into a new power... say... Fiery Build Up?
Basically it's Fiery Embrace with Build Up's to hit buff.
Changes like that are not without precedence and it's still basically build up so the cottage rule isn't broken.
Jem - Ill/Rad Controller Lv 50+3 Nic - Mind/Psi Dominator Lv 50+3 Lady Liberation - Invuln/SS Tanker Lv 50+1 Invicitx - Demon/Pain Mastermind Lv 50+1 Celeste - Emp/Arch Defender Lv 50+1 Nightsilver - DB/WP Scrapper Lv 34 Dusk Howl - StJ/Regen Brute Lv 32 Kyriani - Time/Energy Defender Lv 41Psifire - FF/Psi Defender Lv 50
Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30
Both BU and Fiery Embrace in the same set would be hilariously OP.
And as said, getting rid of BU for FE wouldn't be a good way to go either, even before the snipe changes.
From a 7 year old thread... we were discussing when the blaster secondaries would get looked at... sometime in 2006.
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It got put off to Ifinity
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If you made that up yourself that was HILARIOUS.
However, /Fire is good stuff. All I'd like to see done is the removal of burn in exchange for Fiery Embrace.
I'd like to reiterate my desire to see Fiery Embrace plastered squarely in Fire Manipulation.