FIRE MANIPILATION: Fiery Embrace!!1!!!!11!!!eleven!11!!!!
Instead of replacing burn, I'd like to see it replace Combustion. Or Hot Feet.
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Well, either way it should replace SOMETHING. Fiery Embrace is just tailor made for the Fire Manipulation set.
COH DEVZ... Y U NO ADD FIERY EMBRACE TO FIRE MANIPPLETION?
This is something I posted in the Blaster forum last month or so, but it applies to burn so why not:
1) Find a minion. Eliminate his buddies if he's not alone first.
2) Beanbag.
3) Say in your best Saw voice, "Now we're going to play a little game. Can you stumble out of this oven before you cook to a crisp?" Use ignite on them.
4) If the minion manages to wander out and escape, go back into your Saw voice, "Whoops, wrong way." Drop a burn patch on them.
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From a 7 year old thread... we were discussing when the blaster secondaries would get looked at... sometime in 2006.
[ QUOTE ] It got put off to Ifinity [/ QUOTE ] If you made that up yourself that was [censored] HILARIOUS. However, /Fire is good stuff. All I'd like to see done is the removal of burn in exchange for Fiery Embrace. I'd like to reiterate my desire to see Fiery Embrace plastered squarely in Fire Manipulation. |
I don't see that ever happening. Once upon a time I could have seen them swapping out Build Up for Fiery Embrace... but not anymore, what with the upcoming Sniper changes (since FE has no ToHit bonus).
*Burst damage increases
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So,.. you want Fire Manipulation to have two Build Up type* powers?
I don't see that ever happening. Once upon a time I could have seen them swapping out Build Up for Fiery Embrace... but not anymore, what with the upcoming Sniper changes (since FE has no ToHit bonus). *Burst damage increases |
Well, consider the nature of Fire Manipulation... and I got a 50 Fire/Fire blaster here.. I got an idea of what I'm talking about.
The Fire/Fire blaster is arguably the most brittle character in the game. He has zero defense and ONE... that's right... ONE crowd control effect that doesn't impede him as well (hotfeet makes it so you can't fly, and slows down the enemy a bit too).
What the Fire/Fire blaster does... and does remarkably well is put out gobs and gobs and GOBS of AoE damage. A Fire/Fire blaster has a higher DPS than pretty much anyone in the game when in their element (i.e. surrounded).
However, they are remarkably redundant. Take a look at Fire Manip... seven of the nine powers are some form of AoE, three of which exist to deal damage.
I think my old attack chain would go something like aim/buildup, fbal, fire breath, combustion, firesword circle, and then fbal again... and pretty much everything in the world was dead at that point.
And it was also very redundant.
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Well, consider the nature of Fire Manipulation... and I got a 50 Fire/Fire blaster here.. I got an idea of what I'm talking about.
The Fire/Fire blaster is arguably the most brittle character in the game. He has zero defense and ONE... that's right... ONE crowd control effect that doesn't impede him as well (hotfeet makes it so you can't fly, and slows down the enemy a bit too). What the Fire/Fire blaster does... and does remarkably well is put out gobs and gobs and GOBS of AoE damage. A Fire/Fire blaster has a higher DPS than pretty much anyone in the game when in their element (i.e. surrounded). However, they are remarkably redundant. Take a look at Fire Manip... seven of the nine powers are some form of AoE, three of which exist to deal damage. I think my old attack chain would go something like aim/buildup, fbal, fire breath, combustion, firesword circle, and then fbal again... and pretty much everything in the world was dead at that point. And it was also very redundant. |
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So you're agreeing that having Fiery Embrace would be redundant because cycling your attack powers is redundant, and that a Fire blaster's abilities are in themselves redundant?
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Yeah, I feel pretty comfortable going there.
You mean would I trade an AoE out of the 993485943875 I've got for another buff power, of which I have two? A thematic buff power no less?
Yeah, I feel pretty comfortable going there. |
I'm gonna go ahead and say that is not a fair trade by game mechanics.
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+45% is double now?
Still, what with the cottage rule, I rather strongly doubt any of the powers in Fire Manipulation are going to get traded for Fiery Embrace. Build Up could plausibly be traded so, but with the upcoming snipe changes that wouldn't actually be desirable.
+45% is double now?
Still, what with the cottage rule, I rather strongly doubt any of the powers in Fire Manipulation are going to get traded for Fiery Embrace. Build Up could plausibly be traded so, but with the upcoming snipe changes that wouldn't actually be desirable. |
I don't know about that. 20 seconds of "better than buildup" is pretty tasty... especially when you take into account that Fire is all about the Aye Oh Eeez anyway.
+45% is double now?
Still, what with the cottage rule, I rather strongly doubt any of the powers in Fire Manipulation are going to get traded for Fiery Embrace. Build Up could plausibly be traded so, but with the upcoming snipe changes that wouldn't actually be desirable. |
So... replace Build Up. You're asking for another Build Up, essentially. The only other AT that comes close to having two boost-up powers without taking APPs/PPPs into consideration are Warshades, and they're Epic AT's. You want three?
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You know they COULD change Build Up into a new power... say... Fiery Build Up?
Basically it's Fiery Embrace with Build Up's to hit buff.
Changes like that are not without precedence and it's still basically build up so the cottage rule isn't broken.
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Both BU and Fiery Embrace in the same set would be hilariously OP.
And as said, getting rid of BU for FE wouldn't be a good way to go either, even before the snipe changes.
From a 7 year old thread... we were discussing when the blaster secondaries would get looked at... sometime in 2006.
[ QUOTE ]
It got put off to Ifinity
[/ QUOTE ]
If you made that up yourself that was HILARIOUS.
However, /Fire is good stuff. All I'd like to see done is the removal of burn in exchange for Fiery Embrace.
I'd like to reiterate my desire to see Fiery Embrace plastered squarely in Fire Manipulation.