Taking my PB ouit of retirement.

It had something to do with the discussion, just not what you wanted it to so it could leave an opening for you to argue and start a fight.

As I have stated many times before, you need to make those arguments directly to the devs and stop trying to take out your anger on fellow players that have a different perspective.

I'm not mad about it, I just skipped SF and Seekers on my Peacebringer. I really like my Peacebringer... I just think that he deserves to have his supposedly high end damage options be something other than powers to be skipped. Your POV is clearly that me asking for my powers to work logically is somehow an atrocity that ruins the AT and makes it something completely different. As if all the powers functioning reasonably somehow changes the intended purpose of the AT. You accuse me of being mad after you start it in the first place with your passive aggressive comments and then get offended when I call you out on it. Kinda weak, dude.

I asked you to explain how exactly it was relevant, and your response was, "It had something to do with the discussion." Yeah. Makes sense.

Just go back and read the posts man. I was talking to EG and then you jumped in and made a bunch of stuff up and tried to pin it on me like I said it and then got mad at what you made up.
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Nobody was singled out as the one's trying to fundamentally change the PB so I have no idea how you got all personally offended like I was talking to or about you.

Was going to reply to just how ridiculous you are for saying this as a reply to me when I said nothing of the sort, but you know what, forget it. Not going to deal with the BS from you or in general from this part of the forum.

I don't like the IO. I don't like where it may lead - going from comments *already* being made elsewhere. You don't like that, tough.

What I find amusing, as a final word here, is for all the "oh, no, it can never do any good, it's horrible, how can a melee AT handle a PBAOE knockback power, it's against everything good for the AT," in yet another thread about the *same* thing (Hand clap and its clones,) gee... look, tanks, brutes, etc. describing EXACTLY how they use it. And in EXACTLY the same ways I say I do....

Wow, amazing. Strange how that all seems to go out the window with "OMG PBs have it so bad with this!"

Whatever, guys. I'm done with it. Have fun waving your IOs at each other.

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.........So you think Hand Clap is a good power? Because that's what I got out of this.

Imagine if Foot Stomp did PBAOE Knockback. Now go back and read every good comment ever made about Super Strength. Oh wait. There wouldn't be any.

Could you just maybe stay away from a thread where we're all excited about a -KB proc? I mean, if you don't like it, do you and Bill really have to post about your paranoiac delusions that -KB is evol and will somehow "ruin" an already underperforming Archetype? Can't you just leave it alone? A lot of people are pretty stoked about this. I just wish the Knockback Brigade would leave it alone for once.

It does on my +3 brute unless I crank the levels up.

You need to stop making up things to be mad about mate, me being happy they did not cave to some that wanted to fundamentally change the PB is just as valid in this thread as any other post. Don't be silly.

And you see a problem with changing the KB in Solar Flare and Photon Seekers to KD. Even though many other Peacebringer powers would still provide reliable KB mitigation if you so desire. You are so stubborn in your "Derka der they took'er Knockback!" predisposition that you can't see the logical flaw in protesting the KB being removed from two powers that, logically speaking, shouldn't have it in the first place.

There you go again making things up. I never protested about what you are describing. You need to go to "any" post I have ever made to back up your claims about my position or just STFU already.....Seriously stop making stuff up man it is STUPID!!!!

You also need to get off the logic deal since you left that train many moons ago.

I'm still confused by your attitude to the proc. It allows you to keep your powers just as you like them and allows other that don't enjoy that aspect (like KB in Solar Flare) to remove it. Your objections seem to be objections seeking something to object to.

People already complain about KB necessarily, and this change probably isn't going to change that at all. People are people. Continue on as we all have for the past 8 years. No need to find new things to get upset about here, basically, you're looking at the gift horse of a GOOD compromise in the mouth. And to be honest, I'm trying to get you happy about something you should be happy about.

Not going to touch much on Handclap, but if you see that as a validation of your liking that power... okay. The best you've got there are some people saying it's a fun "get away from me power!" But that kind of power is worse than situational on a Tank. My usual issue is getting mobs to get close to me on a tank (darn stay at range buggers), not getting them away from me. There is a reason Handclap is derided by the majority of Tanker players: you shouldn't want or need a "get away from me" power on a Tank. I'd love it on some of my blasters, but not my tanks.

Why don't you up your diff? If I was fighting stuff that was -2 or -3 to me all the time, I'd be bored mighty quick. I restarted a mission on a Brute in DA when I realized I had slotted his Lore to Rare levels and forgot to up the diff. Fighting things one level lower was just too boring. I debated leaving things at -1 for my Blasters and taking up the amount of mobs a notch, but that felt too easy as well, oddly.

Just curious, is all.

Last but not least, THB, ease up. You're not helping your cause. We're all Kheld players here and can be friendly even if we don't all agree.

You're right, it's a CONSPIRACY!

The thread is linked. Go read it before assuming what it, and my post on it, is about. Seriously, I put a bloody link to it in the freaking post. Is it THAT hard to click and read before telling me what you *assume* I said or it's about?

Don't be THB, GP.

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So... what in that part that you quoted suggested I hadn't read the thread? I got the "it's good to keep mobs away" thing FROM the thread. It's a small thread with a small amount of posters, but that is something consistently said in there. Not sure what you read, but what I said shows I had read the thread (and did so before responding).

For the rest of the comments from me that don't touch on the thread you linked to, that's from the experience of reading the Tanker forum for years, and from playing a Tanker since I started the game in its first month. I have never, ever, ever wanted a keep away power as a Tanker. KD? Sure, that's nice mitigation that allows me to follow up with my attacks (which Hand Clap does not). My thoughts and feelings on the subject A) make sense for how the Tank AT plays and B) are commonly voiced by other Tanker players. Whenever a player asks about what powers to take or drop from the set, Hand Clap and Hurl are the most commonly noted.

I like Hurl and kept it on my SS Tanker, but I can see why people would drop it. And while the idea of Hand Clap is fun and all, it's just not that great for Tanks. If you like it on your SS characters, good on you, but that doesn't change the issue most people have with it.

Sorry to divert from the thread so much, but it was apparently unavoidable.

Hmmmmm. You:
When in my opening post I say this:

Bolding mine. A fairly unambiguous statement. Heck, my second post:

And yet, others in that same thread use hand clap the *exact* same way I mention using Solar Flare, and have *continuously* mentioned using solar flare, only to be told "no, no, KB's never useful, nobody can do that, OMG I have to move two whole feet over, it destroys the AT."

Yeah. Really makes me think you or THB read it as opposed to assume what its contents were.

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Personally I think all of the PB melee powers should be KD instead of KB. I have no issue with the blasts, but I want to melee with my PB which is why I went Human Form in this build.

I understand this sentiment.