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Not to derail this thread but seems like a good place to ask this.. So you are saying that even if you have an original name, but dress your character like say Stargirl for example ( i did this once on my staff fighter just for fun!) you could get genericed? not that you can as Nether said, really copy anyone exactly.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
After having been genericed for having a character with an original name but had similar colors (though not the same outfit) as Super Girl, I just think it's a bad idea to go perma banning anyone, because I think GMs have a tendency to go over board on some, while obvious other ones to some go unnoticed
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What the GM's are supposed do in those cases in reset the costume to default. The names should be safe unless it also violates copyright or if they determine it is offensive in some way.
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Originally Posted by Alpha-Six
Not to derail this thread but seems like a good place to ask this.. So you are saying that even if you have an original name, but dress your character like say Stargirl for example ( i did this once on my staff fighter just for fun!) you could get genericed? not that you can as Nether said, really copy anyone exactly.
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Funny thing about this topic, just this afternoon I saw a guy with a Deadpool ripoff using x's and spaces to get around the name ban to prevent it's use.
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Yeah see i find more offense in that than costumes..The whole period and X thing like .Brand-X (er not saying the X is bad in that name see next example) or xXNetherGoatXx just to get around the naming and it is my understanding that players can't report there names taken in such a way?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Funny thing about this topic, just this afternoon I saw a guy with a Deadpool ripoff using x's and spaces to get around the name ban to prevent it's use.
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Heh. Had one person insisting in the help channel that since they put spaces in (I think it was) Wovlerine to make W o l v e r i n e or some such (think they did a misspell there, too) that "it wasn't the same so it was safe." |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Funny thing about this topic, just this afternoon I saw a guy with a Deadpool ripoff using x's and spaces to get around the name ban to prevent it's use.
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He was convinced to delete and remake with an original name.
Oh and i remember the hulk guy on virtue i even warned him in /HC that he was going to get GM slapped.. his reply to me was " Hulk smash GM"
I do not think this is a case of "I am not bothered by..."
No, this sounds a lot like someone's immersive and serious roleplaying experience is easily bothered by, what is obviously, a pet peeve. You wouldn't go on and on about reporting people and demanding bans if it DIDN'T bother you.
I remember speaking to Beastyle once about this, and he said, roughly, "It usually doesn't matter. People do what they think is fun. If it becomes an obvious issue, we'll handle it."
This makes me believe that, at least in his case, a Captain Ersatz or an Expy are not really an issue, and people like you are the ones who MAKE them issues, or at least try to.
In my opinion, the only one really at fault is you for not letting people have their fun. You ARE, deny it or not, bothered by this. And yet parody laws and a slew of others will gladly defend Paragon for someone running around as "Captain Bromerica", a StJ/Shield user who is Blue, White, and Red.
Quit pooping on other peoples fun.
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No. You can file a petition on the name if you like. It's up to the GM's to decide if it violates the naming policy.|
Originally Posted by Alpha-Six
Yeah see i find more offense in that than costumes..The whole period and X thing like .Brand-X (er not saying the X is bad in that name see next example) or xXNetherGoatXx just to get around the naming and it is my understanding that players can't report there names taken in such a way?
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The only thing I wouldn't do is confront the individual. Even if your motives are pure, and you phrase it as nonaggressively as possible most people making those rip off characters are going to respond in a defensive and or hostile manner. And much like what happened to the OP, if and when they get genned they are going to blame the person that opened his/her mouth. Cuz you know, they couldn't possibly be responsible for naming their own character and designing the costume.
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Originally Posted by Reppu
In my opinion, the only one really at fault is you for not letting people have their fun.
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See what I mean? It's not THEIR fault for breaking the rules, it's YOUR fault they got caught.
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Stop boozing for a moment and read what I said. I meant, and stated, specifically in the cases of an Expy, or a Captain Ersatz. Both are protected well enough by the law.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
See what I mean? It's not THEIR fault for breaking the rules, it's YOUR fault they got caught.
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I am supportive of "XvXDEADPOOLXvX" being reported.
I am against "Deathlake" being reported.
You may continue your boozing now.
Note: Expys and Ersatzs do not break the rules, either. So, your statement, in regards to mine, is false. Again, it helps to read and take whole context, not snip individual sentences.
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The point I'm making is that the statement you made is exactly the argument the people making blatant rip off characters use. They want everyone to ignore the fact that they were breaking the rules in the first place. In their minds they are victims and the real bad guys are the ones enforcing the rules.|
Originally Posted by Reppu
Stop boozing for a moment and read what I said. I meant, and stated, specifically in the cases of an Expy, or a Captain Ersatz. Both are protected well enough by the law.
I am supportive of "XvXDEADPOOLXvX" being reported. I am against "Deathlake" being reported. You may continue your boozing now. Note: Expys and Ersatzs do not break the rules, either. So, your statement, in regards to mine, is false. Again, it helps to read and take whole context, not snip individual sentences. |
They make the same argument when they get caught using names the GM's deemed offensive.
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I understand your point, simply pointing out what my stance was. If someone is doing an Expy or Captain Ersatz, back off. If someone is BLATANTLY COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT, shove a report up their butt.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
The point I'm making is that the statement you made is exactly the argument the people making blatant rip off characters use. They want everyone to ignore the fact that they were breaking the rules in the first place. In their minds they are victims and the real bad guys are the ones enforcing the rules.
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If I see a blatant copyright infringement I report it. I don't get all up in the person's face and say "haha I reported your obvious ripoff of Wonder Woman etc etc).
Granted I have never reported anyone for costume...just names. I am not a huge comic book person so costumes; unless they are the BIG names like Superman, Spiderman, etc are lost on me.
One's I remember reporting:
W0nder W0man
Xx Hulk xX
Captain Amer1ca
Jub1lee
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This!
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Originally Posted by dougnukem
This always amazes me how people let someone else's character's costumes or names affect their gaming experience. Who cares? If it bothers you, report them and move on, otherwise let it go, sheesh.
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I don't like posting here, ever, but one of my scouts led me here. If you're so upset about people making pre-existing characters in CoH, Dark Energon, then why did you make a Mutation stalker named "Ragin' Cajun" with staff fighting/energy aura? You even used Gambit's nickname. He's not even straddling the line between homage and imitation.
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Raging Cajun doesn't even look like Gambit, well.. except for the red/orange hair. Not like i named it, made it look like, used the same powers and included the original's character in my bio. Not even the power color is like Gambit.
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Originally Posted by StygianEmperor
I don't like posting here, ever, but one of my scouts led me here. If you're so upset about people making pre-existing characters in CoH, Dark Energon, then why did you make a Mutation stalker named "Ragin' Cajun" with staff fighting/energy aura? You even used Gambit's nickname. He's not even straddling the line between homage and imitation.
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This thread is done.
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Originally Posted by StygianEmperor
I don't like posting here, ever, but one of my scouts led me here. If you're so upset about people making pre-existing characters in CoH, Dark Energon, then why did you make a Mutation stalker named "Ragin' Cajun" with staff fighting/energy aura? You even used Gambit's nickname. He's not even straddling the line between homage and imitation.
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Also, if, and that is a big IF, a GM decides to Generic me, it'll be my 1st Gen'd toon in 3 years. That is much different than being new to the game and having 2 gen'd toon in a span of 3 or 4 days.
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Nope. This whole thread is based off hypocrisy. Do not defend yourself with "B-But it'll be the first time onii-san punishes meeeee!"
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Originally Posted by Dark Energon
Also, if, and that is a big IF, a GM decides to Generic me, it'll be my 1st Gen'd toon in 3 years. That is much different than being new to the game and having 2 gen'd toon in a span of 3 or 4 days.
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Nope. This whole thread is based off hypocrisy. Do not defend yourself with "B-But it'll be the first time onii-san punishes meeeee!"
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Because i named a toon Raging Cajun, has red hair and a staff, it MUST be Gambit? It could not possibly be that Cajun referrers to the Cajun population in Texas and Louisiana? Trying to look like i have a French background?
This is what my Raging Cajun looks like:
Red/orange Barbaric hair, Face 1. Black Baron Jacket w/ dark goldish Magic print, dark grey shirt 2, no gloves, office belt. Dark grey Khakis, black w/ dark goldish baron print. Staff Wood w/ wrap. Now, set that up in your tailor, and tell me how much i look like Gambit. reason i have picked Energy as secondary, because most my melee toons have WP or regen, and i wanted to try something else. But you know what, if you think i look like gambit and made it so that it is Gambit, report me, they were saying they'd do that when the whole discussion started in AP with SnakeEyez, but i still have my Raging Cajun. So either they didn't report me, or CS didn't see enough ground to Gen the toon.
Anyways, like i said, if they Gen the toon, it would be my 1st Gen toon, and that is fine, at least i'm not being a repeat offender making toons who look exactly like, named as and include a bio like the character it is based off, and that is the difference.
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So, it's okay if it's your first time? Riiiight.|
Originally Posted by Dark Energon
Why is it hypocrite?
Because i named a toon Raging Cajun, has red hair and a staff, it MUST be Gambit? It could not possibly be that Cajun referrers to the Cajun population in Texas and Louisiana? Trying to look like i have a French background? This is what my Raging Cajun looks like: Red/orange Barbaric hair, Face 1. Black Baron Jacket w/ dark goldish Magic print, dark grey shirt 2, no gloves, office belt. Dark grey Khakis, black w/ dark goldish baron print. Staff Wood w/ wrap. Now, set that up in your tailor, and tell me how much i look like Gambit. reason i have picked Energy as secondary, because most my melee toons have WP or regen, and i wanted to try something else. But you know what, if you think i look like gambit and made it so that it is Gambit, report me, they were saying they'd do that when the whole discussion started in AP with SnakeEyez, but i still have my Raging Cajun. So either they didn't report me, or CS didn't see enough ground to Gen the toon. Anyways, like i said, if they Gen the toon, it would be my 1st Gen toon, and that is fine, at least i'm not being a repeat offender making toons who look exactly like, named as and include a bio like the character it is based off, and that is the difference. |
He's Staff Fighting/Energy Aura, which are the de-factor power sets for Gambit. The only alternative would be "Energy Weapon Throwing", which doesn't exist. If he also shares the hair, and the nickname? Yeah. We know what you were doing. This isn't even a Captain Erzats or a Proxy; you made Gambit.
And considering Paragon's history with Marvel...
... You're worse than those guys, really. Why? Not because of that, but because you're chastising other people when you're guilty for the same thing.
Bloody hypocrites...
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So wait, if my toon is blonde, that would change everything? |
Originally Posted by Reppu
He's Staff Fighting/Energy Aura, which are the de-factor power sets for Gambit. The only alternative would be "Energy Weapon Throwing", which doesn't exist. If he also shares the hair, and the nickname? Yeah. We know what you were doing. This isn't even a Captain Erzats or a Proxy; you made Gambit.
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*Change hair blonde*
So when my Raging Cajun toon was a red haired dual pistol/energy blaster it was ok?
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I'm not sure that invalidates what's been discussed by everyone else.|
Originally Posted by Reppu
Nope. This whole thread is based off hypocrisy. Do not defend yourself with "B-But it'll be the first time onii-san punishes meeeee!"
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1. Direct rip offs of copyrighted/trademarked characters is against the rules.
2. Homage/parody characters that are significantly different will be left alone by GM's.
3. If you choose to break the copyright rule don't be surprised if you get hit with the gen stick, and don't expect sympathy from most players.
4. If someone chooses to petition a copyright issue, keep your dang yap shut about it. Let the GM's handle any discussions.
5. (Now this is jut my opinion) If someone feels compelled to lecture someone about their decision to create a rip off character, I think the most effective way to avoid conflict is to first compliment the person on his or her ability to recreate said character, then in a conspiratorial way, warn them that they could get genericed by a GM.
"Dude great "x" clone. Ya mind if I let ya know something?"
"Well while I think you look great, if ya get spotted by a GM, they could generic that character for copyright violation. I know it sucks but it happens."
Heck it might even be a good idea to say that they "nailed" you for the same thing.
I think they'd find that a lot less confrontational than what the OP said.
"Pleased to meet you mister soon to be known as Generic 847 924 6722, because if someone reports you, that will be your new name."
Not trying to pick on you D_E, just saying I don't think it was the most diplomatic way to broach the topic with a complete stranger.
I got that Forbin, and that is something i did pick up with that ordeal.
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