Kin/ Stalker or scrapper?
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Arilou,
Posted on: 2012-04-17 24:04 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Stalkers don't 'lose' Siphon Power. They get Build Up instead. Which while it has less of an average buff over time, it provides better burst. And like Scrappers get with Siphon Power, Concentrated Strike crits refresh its recharge automatically. Kinetic Stalkers have always been slightly better than Scrappers IMO and now it's not even a close call.
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Ah, didn't know the second part. Useful.
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Heh, I was going to pair it with EA too.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
KM/EA scrapper here. AWESOMESAUCE! That is all.
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But still, I'm leaning towards Stalker, if only because I already have a couple level 50 8and 50-ish) scrappers.
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This, only as a stalker. I have one around 40 that I am switching back to as soon as I finish my MM.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
KM/EA scrapper here. AWESOMESAUCE! That is all.
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Really amazing - feel like a total badass with this combo. Kinetic Melee/Energy Aura ftw.
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KM/EA stalkers are badass, I've got one myself (Will O' The Wind, hes a cloud). Fairly easy to soft cap, good resistance to S/L, and ENERGY DRAIN
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And with the Stalker ATO slotted into Assassin Strike, you can crit with Concentrated Strike every time.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
And like Scrappers get with Siphon Power, Concentrated Strike crits refresh its recharge automatically.
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Works like this:
The ATO proc will put you into Hide automatically when it goes off. It's a proc per minute formula based on the base recharge of the power.
Since AS's base recharge is so high, it will proc every time in it.
Concentrated Strike will automatically crit when used in Hide.
Thus, you can run an attack chain of Build Up>AS>Concentrated Strike>Build Up>Next heavy hitter>filler attack>AS>Concentrated Strike>Build Up>etc.
It requires a lot of recharge to do, but once you reach that level of recharge there isn't much in the game that will beat it for single target damage output.
Also, KM's PBAoE (Burst) has a 100% chance to crit from Hide, unlike most AoEs which have a 50% chance.
KM is stupidly good on stalkers.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Yes. Though normally after I hide from AS I will use Burst instead, with build up used before the AS, until only bosses are left, and then I make with the individual face beating.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
And with the Stalker ATO slotted into Assassin Strike, you can crit with Concentrated Strike every time.
Works like this: The ATO proc will put you into Hide automatically when it goes off. It's a proc per minute formula based on the base recharge of the power. Since AS's base recharge is so high, it will proc every time in it. Concentrated Strike will automatically crit when used in Hide. Thus, you can run an attack chain of Build Up>AS>Concentrated Strike>Build Up>Next heavy hitter>filler attack>AS>Concentrated Strike>Build Up>etc. It requires a lot of recharge to do, but once you reach that level of recharge there isn't much in the game that will beat it for single target damage output. Also, KM's PBAoE (Burst) has a 100% chance to crit from Hide, unlike most AoEs which have a 50% chance. KM is stupidly good on stalkers. |
Haven't tried it on a scrapper but it seems hard to beat the effectiveness it has on a Stalker. Controlled AOE or ST crit is pretty good.
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Don't you run into the issue with that attack chain where the Stalker ATO won't hide you more than once every 10.25 seconds? I've got a thread on the Stalker forums trying to deal with that, but I'd be happy (and surprised) to lean that that limitation doesn't exist.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
And with the Stalker ATO slotted into Assassin Strike, you can crit with Concentrated Strike every time.
Works like this: The ATO proc will put you into Hide automatically when it goes off. It's a proc per minute formula based on the base recharge of the power. Since AS's base recharge is so high, it will proc every time in it. Concentrated Strike will automatically crit when used in Hide. Thus, you can run an attack chain of Build Up>AS>Concentrated Strike>Build Up>Next heavy hitter>filler attack>AS>Concentrated Strike>Build Up>etc. It requires a lot of recharge to do, but once you reach that level of recharge there isn't much in the game that will beat it for single target damage output. Also, KM's PBAoE (Burst) has a 100% chance to crit from Hide, unlike most AoEs which have a 50% chance. KM is stupidly good on stalkers. |
I thought when it was put into AS, that it went off every time you used it, regardless of the recharge you have.
...and yeah, using BU and Burst is good... but having it do double damage via crit on top of that is amazing
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Okay, I got Hasten and Entropy Shield on my Stalker for the recharge, and tried using AS (with the Stalker's Guile ATO in AS) twice in ~9 seconds. The second (non-stealthed) Assassin's Strike did /not/ apply Hide. |
Originally Posted by JayboH
I thought when it was put into AS, that it went off every time you used it, regardless of the recharge you have.
...and yeah, using BU and Burst is good... but having it do double damage via crit on top of that is amazing |
This means that any sustained KM attack chain can use the ATO'd AS for a guaranteed CS crit (and therefore another Build Up) no more than once per 10.25 seconds. This means you either use those moves then wait ten seconds, or you find a way to work AS (and CS, if desired) into the chain twice, once every 5.125 seconds at minimum, which is going to be inefficient if you don't have relatively high recharge.
ASing more than once in 10 seconds is pretty darn crazy to me anyway.
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My NB/Regen Stalker recharges AS in 6 secs (the final build will have it recharge in 4 secs): what will happen is this: AS->Soaring Dragon->Golden Dragonfly->AS, repeat: the second AS doesn't put me in hide until 4 seconds later (after the first 10.5 sec timer goes off).
I thought I heard that they were going to fix this, but I don't remember where.
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This limitation does exist. You can see a buff icon under your health bar showing that it's still too early.|
Originally Posted by Neggy Z
Don't you run into the issue with that attack chain where the Stalker ATO won't hide you more than once every 10.25 seconds? I've got a thread on the Stalker forums trying to deal with that, but I'd be happy (and surprised) to lean that that limitation doesn't exist.
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But even still, you're recharging build up way more often than anyone else in the game and AS hits like a truck.
Basically, I have concept for a kin melee. Scrapper or Stalker would work. I don't know what to pick.
Stalkers are nice now, and their losses seems to be Repulsing Torrent (KB cone? Eh... I can live without that) and Siphon Power, which I'm a bit more worried about.
So, how does a kin stalker look nowadays?
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om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."