I'm guessing it'll be a panacea proc clone (in terms of heal value, not mechanics). Will be nice having those firing constantly. 
Still haven't gotten on beta and I've been mostly looking at the secondhand information about the new powersets. If someone wants to post info on the new Kheld set I'd appreciate it... Don't think I've come across any yet.
Jesus, those set bonuses are insane.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Jesus, those set bonuses are insane.
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YEAH the set bonuses alone is making me go crasy.. that means with only 3 you can get a big bonus to rechrge.. on a pb this is going to be nuts.. let alone a shade.. wow.. devs did good on this one.. still though the heal is cool.. but it would have been cooler if they gave us a chance for increase dmg or something... but the proc is great thumbs up!!!
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All the set bonuses are perfect for my 32.5% defense to all positions Warshade. Depending on what the superior version looks like, I'm likely to have a crapload of leftover slots for some extra touches. Very awesome.
I would expect some adjustments DOWN on all the new ATO's. Z basically said as much when the leak first occurred.
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As it stands, you could split the set into two powers and get that recharge twice. 20% if they follow purple size for superior.
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The thing I'm not liking about these is that thinking about it, if I catalyze the pieces for higher defense values the recharge bonus will conflict with the 5 stacked ultimate recharges I already have. Splitting the set up for me won't be an option since I'll want the superior ranged defense... This means I'll miss out on any extra recharge entirely, and I only have on plausible power to slot the set in in the first place. Hrm.
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So... slot this thing 6'd in some power of choice, remove a legacy purple set from your build, and reslot the power you dropped the purples from with the next-best recharge bonus, or some extra defense? I recently did this with a Controller build that had 5 purple sets in it.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
The thing I'm not liking about these is that thinking about it, if I catalyze the pieces for higher defense values the recharge bonus will conflict with the 5 stacked ultimate recharges I already have. Splitting the set up for me won't be an option since I'll want the superior ranged defense... This means I'll miss out on any extra recharge entirely, and I only have on plausible power to slot the set in in the first place. Hrm.
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I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30)) Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.
I get the feeling this proc will benefit WS more than PBs... again. My PB has no issues healing itself, and much like the other proc there's no real place for it.
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My options are limited since I need to keep the Armageddon/Hecatomb/Apocalypse procs. I can't replace Kheldian's Grace because I have it 5 slotted for the 10% bonuses plus a Soulbound proc in the sixth slot which I'm not willing to drop (I'll need to 6 slot this new set.) I could replace Ragnarok I guess, but I have that in a long recharging power where this new heal proc wouldn't be very beneficial. I'm going to have to be able to see final values before I decide how and where I'm going to slot this new set and then sit down staring at my build for like 45 minutes until the solution comes to me. Right now the very best option might just be to slot this set uncatalyzed in Detonation, but then I would lose the FF+recharge proc and I don't think the gained global recharge bonus comes anywhere close to making up for that.
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Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
So... slot this thing 6'd in some power of choice, remove a legacy purple set from your build, and reslot the power you dropped the purples from with the next-best recharge bonus, or some extra defense? I recently did this with a Controller build that had 5 purple sets in it.
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The real value is in the set bonuses. My PB will actually have an easier time taking advantage of this set since his human build has no place for Armageddon or Absolute Amazement, meaning all I'll need to do is replace a rare set somewhere with this new set. It'll be going in one of the ranged AOE's easy peasy.
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Originally Posted by Blood Red Arachnid
I get the feeling this proc will benefit WS more than PBs... again. My PB has no issues healing itself, and much like the other proc there's no real place for it.
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Just to make sure we're clear, you understand that the proc will function like interface, right? It won't just proc on the attack you slot it in.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
I could replace Ragnarok I guess, but I have that in a long recharging power where this new heal proc wouldn't be very beneficial.
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Just to make sure we're clear, you understand that the proc will function like interface, right? It won't just proc on the attack you slot it in.
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I am afraid of the superior versions.
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With those values i'll have to re-work my builds again :P
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The heal proc doesn't care what power it's slotted in. It acts like interface, from that text.
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Yeah me too. Can you imagine that heal proc in something like orbiting death?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, gents, but the recharge set bonus here is lower than the other ATO set, and therefore the catalyzed version would not likely conflict with purples but be something like~8%?
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Correct.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, gents, but the recharge set bonus here is lower than the other ATO set, and therefore the catalyzed version would not likely conflict with purples but be something like~8%?
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Actually, in the current generation of ATOs, all of the Recharge bonuses catalyze to 10% (much as all the damage bonuses catalyze to 4% and all of the Defense bonuses catalyze to 5%/2.5%) regardless of differences in the base set bonuses values.
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Correct.
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I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30)) Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.
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He was speaking about the new ATO's listed on the first page not the old one.
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Actually, in the current generation of ATOs, all of the Recharge bonuses catalyze to 10% (much as all the damage bonuses catalyze to 4% and all of the Defense bonuses catalyze to 5%/2.5%) regardless of differences in the base set bonuses values.
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It would be nice if the catalyzed recharge bonus didn't go up to 10% but a purple set giving a recharge bonus that wasn't 10% would be something completely new. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
He was speaking about the new ATO's listed on the first page not the old one.
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The point I was making was that in the current generation of ATOs, there are two different levels of Recharge bonus across the different sets (7.5 and 8.75) and they all catalyze to the same 10% Bonus.
It's very likely that the second generation ATOs will behave the same way, all catalyzing to 10%. We can't say for sure yet, because AFAIK the leak didn't include the Superior versions, but I highly doubt the implementation will change.
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I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30)) Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.
New kheld proc is looking sweet.. anyone have any numbers yet? the set bonus numbers look sweet too!!!
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