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Originally Posted by Kyriani
What would the general thought be on the spectral interface incarnate power for a mind/ff controller?
I'm toying with the idea of using it (the one with the 12% immob/75% dot) with the thought that I'd get more containment uptime with a chance to immobilize with every attack. Is this a good line of thinking? I'd love to hear some opinions. |
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Well as a mind/ff controller my primary attack chain would consist of Mesmerize, Dominate and Levitate. My aoes would consist of Terroize (slotted for damage), and Psionic Tornado. I was considering Repulsion Bomb as another aoe but it doesn't benefit from containment so I am iffy on that one and even if I did take it the spectral interface's immobilize effect wouldn't help for that power.|
Originally Posted by Saltyhero13
What powers do you have and how often do you use them?
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But the three single target powers I listed would all be cycled relatively quickly. When fully IO'd out the recharge time for each of those 3 attacks would be 1.76s, 2.13s and 1.56s respectively. With the two aoes having 10.31s recharge time for Terrorize and 5.67s for Psionic Tornado.
I'm figuring since containment basically doubles my damage its a bigger benefit than the -res debuff from reactive, especially since I have no pets (not counting lore pets) as a Mind controller.
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The immob is mag 2,only lasts for 4 seconds, has a 1/8 chance of landing, and only matters on your aoe attacks (since you have containment in your single target attack chain from dominate). Since you only have 2 aoe attacks on 20 and 40 second base recharges I don't think it's going to do much good.
Your options for containment are pretty limited (take it from a mind/emp). I'd suggest repulsion bomb for setting up containment more than dealing damage. Have you considered going stone mastery and grabbing fissure? It does slightly more aoe damage than psi tornado, stuns minions 50% of the time to set up containment, and can still be slotted with the force feedback proc.
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If you change your attack chain to Dom-Mez-Lev, you would not have to worry about Containment on the single target attack chain. If Domination hits, both Mez and Lev get Containment. Even if Domination misses, Mezmerize will still set up Containment for Levitate.|
Originally Posted by Kyriani
Well as a mind/ff controller my primary attack chain would consist of Mesmerize, Dominate and Levitate. My aoes would consist of Terroize (slotted for damage), and Psionic Tornado. I was considering Repulsion Bomb as another aoe but it doesn't benefit from containment so I am iffy on that one and even if I did take it the spectral interface's immobilize effect wouldn't help for that power.
But the three single target powers I listed would all be cycled relatively quickly. When fully IO'd out the recharge time for each of those 3 attacks would be 1.76s, 2.13s and 1.56s respectively. With the two aoes having 10.31s recharge time for Terrorize and 5.67s for Psionic Tornado. I'm figuring since containment basically doubles my damage its a bigger benefit than the -res debuff from reactive, especially since I have no pets (not counting lore pets) as a Mind controller. |
As for AoEs, when playing solo I use Mass Hypnosis before Terrorize to set containment. Since Mass Hypnosis does not draw aggro, you can use that as your Alpha. I usually do that on teams, too, but it is less effective when teammates are letting loose with AoE powers themselves . . . but then they will kill the foes much faster than I will. That's not going to help with Psi Tornado, but oh, well.
Just changing your attack strategy may be better than the Alpha slot.
(I have a Mind/FF too. I have Repulsion Bomb and find it to be pretty underwhelming. I'm not sure why you went with the Psi Pool for APP. Since Mind/FF has partial mez protection, you don't need Indomidible Will all that much. IW is the main reason to take the Psi Pool. I went with the Primal Pool because Mind/FF has soooo many powers that will benefit from Power Boost. Power Boosted Mass Confusion is very nice. Torrent is a cone like Terrorize, so it is easy to use. My second choice would be Ice for the Defense-based shield and two AoE attack powers. Earth would be a good choice if you like to stay in melee range. Or go for the Mace PPP, which is very tempting.)
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I do normally lead with dominate. I apologize that I posted the attacks out of order. That said I was considering the spectral for when I deal with AV's/EB's with purple triangles. I know the itrials were adjusted so containment is always active on the AV's there but outside of them I was just wondering if it would be worthwhile.
Is the general consensus that it's not a good choice for that reason?
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If all you care about is the damage proc on the slot itself, it's no worse than any other option. If all you care about is the Immobilize Proc, then you're wasting your time as a Mind Controller even thinking it's going to do anything for you as far as Containment goes.
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I have no idea if this would work well.
My main advice for Mind Control is to take Power Boost from the primal APP so you can set Containment with Total Domination.
Mind Control, IMO, has it pretty bad thanks to the nature of Incarnate buffs. All of the extra damage incarnate powers bring comes from DoTs that break your AoE sleep Containment. This is a huge boost for the AoE immobilize powers and a huge penalty to Mind Control, which IMO is pretty unfortunate. Spectral might help some, but the DoT would probably break as much Containment (from sleep) as it would fix. The hard mezz in power boosted Total Domination is at least fairly reliable... unfortunately even the best builds will still only be able to do it once every 60 seconds or so.
One possible out is whatever the next Incarnate slot brings. One of the powers supposedly adds "more control"... if that means more Containment, it could help out the set. However, the AoE immobilizes at this point in the game are pretty much indefensibly overpowered, so I'm not sure Mind will ever completely catch up again barring major changes to the nature of content or a radically game changing incarnate power.
EDIT: Should have added that the main place this might help you is if you solo Elite Bosses and/or AVs. Mind Control generally can't set Containment on these easily, so being able to immobilize them with a barrage of single target attacks could help. Although in a number of cases, I just found it easier to avoid these kinds of enemies or Confuse them from afar when forced to deal with them.
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I think your assessment is correct for ST. Spectral will allow you to set up containment on AVs during phases that PTOD (2/3rds of the time) are up. I wouldn't expect it to increase your ST DPS past 16% however (not including the negative energy proc). It will be tough for other Interface procs to beat that increase considering their secondary effects are heavily resisted or are calculated from base numbers before level scaling. On the flip side Containment is not resisted.|
Originally Posted by Kyriani
Well as a mind/ff controller my primary attack chain would consist of Mesmerize, Dominate and Levitate. My aoes would consist of Terroize (slotted for damage), and Psionic Tornado. I was considering Repulsion Bomb as another aoe but it doesn't benefit from containment so I am iffy on that one and even if I did take it the spectral interface's immobilize effect wouldn't help for that power.
But the three single target powers I listed would all be cycled relatively quickly. When fully IO'd out the recharge time for each of those 3 attacks would be 1.76s, 2.13s and 1.56s respectively. With the two aoes having 10.31s recharge time for Terrorize and 5.67s for Psionic Tornado. I'm figuring since containment basically doubles my damage its a bigger benefit than the -res debuff from reactive, especially since I have no pets (not counting lore pets) as a Mind controller. |
As far as AoE damage I do believe Spectral could help if you are careful but I doubt its contribution will be anything amazing. The biggest problem I see is that the nature of the damage proc is a DoT and will interfere with your main source of AoE containment provided by Mass Hypnosis. You would have to pay close attention to when you leveraged your sleep for containment. Its Immob proc rate and duration are too low to offset the loss of containment if you are not careful. With the above in consideration I don't see why it wouldn't be a better choice than some of the other Interface option for Mind/FF/Psi. For my playstyle Cognitive is the only other one that looks like a competitive choice for regular content.
Totally different than Mind/FF, but I use it on my Ill/Sonic and greatly enjoy it. Of course, containment is almost more of a bonus than necessity on Illusion, but it is still nice to pair with PA and the fact that everyone else is likely using Reactive or Degenerative, your proc is that much more likely to be doing it's job and not get lost to the stacking limit.
What would the general thought be on the spectral interface incarnate power for a mind/ff controller?
I'm toying with the idea of using it (the one with the 12% immob/75% dot) with the thought that I'd get more containment uptime with a chance to immobilize with every attack.
Is this a good line of thinking? I'd love to hear some opinions.
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Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30