Issue 22: Death Incarnate - [TEST] - Build 2230.201203280247.1
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Agent White,
Posted on: 2012-04-03 18:22 in The Global Training Room Test Server
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Biggest Troll on the forums? I'll give you a hint:
I'm going to bring my rage here because I have no idea where else to take it.
because beta for i23 isn't open, I am going to rage.
Bigtime. So here goes...
Take THAT Paragon Studios!
Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.
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slightly higher isn't going to justify to most the drastically higher price of zero dollars (other than subscription in some cases) to whatever price was paid for the IO version(i acknowledge that it has been on sale once so not everyone paid the same) I paid for 3 ppm I don't buy procs where the rate is unknown after wasting my money on that 1 now useless to me chance for kd proc
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Originally Posted by Codewalker
No, because the description on the store item doesn't say what the proc rate is.
1.5PPM is still slightly higher than the crafted proc in Stamina (would be 1.2PPM to be identical in that power), so it doesn't break the reasonable assumption that the one you bought would be anything different than that. |
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I knew it was 3 ppm and that is why I bought it and just cause i saw it on the forum doesn't mean I saw synapses warning that's quite the leap considering the devs made no attempt to alert the playerbase the proc rate would. Not a an ingame message you have to click ok to get past. Not an update on the procs listing in the store not a damn thing other than some vague comment that synapse would look into it|
Originally Posted by Reppu
At the end of the day; refunds would be nice, but in the end, you SPECIFICALLY paid for what you got. If you paid for the 3 PPM, which you had NO idea of knowing that before getting the enhancement in your tray, that means you either bought one, say it, and went "WOAH THAT'S INSANELY BROKEN", and then I immediately respond with "You should have known better., OR you heard from a friend, and I say "You should have known better", OR you saw it on the forum, which I say "You saw Synapse's warning."
Oh well. You got what you paid for. |
If they decide not to offer refunds then their scum, PERIOD
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This was hardly specific, "unintended benefit" Does Not Equal "horribly broken" & it was what a month before this was "fixed"/changed?|
Originally Posted by Synapse
Hey all. This is an unintended benefit. I'll take a look at this today.
Regards, Synapse |
I didn't see anything in the Dev Digest from Synapse about it until - two weeks later:
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Originally Posted by Synapse
I thought I would chime in here with a note on how PPMs work versus how standard chance procs work.
PPM (Procs Per Minute) based enhancements use a formula to determine their chance to trigger. It is possible to get a proc to trigger 100% of the time on a power if you put it into a power with a long enough recharge. That is intended. Standard procs have a flat chance to trigger. This means it's typically more advantageous to put them into powers with very short recharge times. In short, PPM enhancements trigger more often in powers with long recharges and standard procs trigger more often per minute in powers with short recharges. There are advantages to both. That said, if there are PPM enhancements that grossly out perform their standard proc IO analog, then that is likely unintended and should be addressed. Synapse |
Sorry but again "...likely unintended and should be addressed." - that's not really conveying any clues as to what they would/maybe=?/might do to address it, *And I had to 'dig this up' - just now = I didn't see it before... YESTERDAY?*
Along with "Oh, BTW - We're gonna be selling Purples Soon!"
Note: The Hecatomb Set was announced back in the I22 Beta - I just checked = So, I think I can say that without problems... (If not my bad please Mod gently - if you must) - So yeah that's balanced/fair/etc!
I'm not exactly angry = I'm... uhm...? for the sake of discussion -> Lets call it, "Appalled". I mean Really? Seriously??
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
City of Heroes didn't fail, City of Heroes was killed. If a 747 dropped on your house, you'd say you were killed, not you failed to find a safer dwelling.
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It was a scumbag move no doubt about it the ultimate effect being "bait and switch" Unintended benefit? it sucked in Kin SB probably more than an even lvl DO, it was better in stamina than the io equivalent which is the case with ppms, much better in some power, much worse in others. Now its half as good in the later and twice a bad in the former and was nerfed away from the "20% flat rate IO to 3ppm SBE formula" that almost all other SBE's obey|
Originally Posted by Cardiff_Giant
This was hardly specific, "unintended benefit" Does Not Equal "horribly broken" & it was what a month before this was "fixed"/changed?
I didn't see anything in the Dev Digest from Synapse about it until - two weeks later: Sorry but again "...likely unintended and should be addressed." - that's not really conveying any clues as to what they would/maybe=?/might do to address it, *And I had to 'dig this up' - just now = I didn't see it before... YESTERDAY?* Along with "Oh, BTW - We're gonna be selling Purples Soon!" Note: The Hecatomb Set was announced back in the I22 Beta - I just checked = So, I think I can say that without problems... (If not my bad please Mod gently - if you must) - So yeah that's balanced/fair/etc! I'm not exactly angry = I'm... uhm...? for the sake of discussion -> Lets call it, "Appalled". I mean Really? Seriously?? |
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Shifter: Chance for +END. When you saw the PPM was 3, you came to one of two conclusions. 1) Paragon is dumb lololol TIME TO BUY UP. 2) This is an oversight. In the end, even with the IO being, and it deserved to be, 'nerfed' (truthfully fixed), you STILL got what you originally paid for. " Performance Shifter: Chance for +END". If anything, I'd be wary of the friends you told to buy them up since they were three times the power of the original version and not coming to the obvious conclusion it was an oversight, which Synapse confirmed ASAP when it became known. And blame the beta testers not speaking up about it ;P At the end of the day; refunds would be nice, but in the end, you SPECIFICALLY paid for what you got. If you paid for the 3 PPM, which you had NO idea of knowing that before getting the enhancement in your tray, that means you either bought one, say it, and went "WOAH THAT'S INSANELY BROKEN", and then I immediately respond with "You should have known better., OR you heard from a friend, and I say "You should have known better", OR you saw it on the forum, which I say "You saw Synapse's warning." Oh well. You got what you paid for. |
So no, no one who bought a 3ppm proc that changed into a 1.5 ppm proc got what they paid for
This is actually part of the problem - not enough time TO test properly.
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Later in that same thread it was mentioned that they were going live 12:01 AM Pacific on 3/6/2012.
So we had a total of 3.5 days to test it, when quite frankly most of us (myself, at least) were burnt out from beta testing everything else. And it was on the weekend.
I only tested it a few days after it went live because I was on the beta server checking the enhanced values of ATOs to gauge how I'm going to split up the Brute set on my TW/Elec - I figured I'd try it out to see how it compared... and promptly told the forums/Synapse via the main thread.
Also checked out Trap of the Hunter/ Posi's blast for proc rates as well.
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