put full forum access in Paragon Marketplace
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Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2012-04-02 13:09 in Suggestions and Ideas
At $5 per person, 100 people buying the first month, that's $500. (Please note I have deliberately lowballed this number...new shiny syndrome is not just afflicting the developers...tons of our players suffer from it also.)
If you say that web folks get paid $30/hr, that's nearly 17 man hours to do it...and again, that's a serious lowball. A bunch of the code is already done via the VIP flag, and all you have to do is massage it into fitting a different flag on the account.
PS; Why would you need FOUR web devs to massage a piece of code from doing one thing to doing a second fairly similar thing? That's like the construction crews I see all over the place with three dudes watching one guy work. Do not need all that!
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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I'd say grossly low balled the cost, but I'd agree with you that Paragon Studios could likely see a few thousand "new shiny" folk. |
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
At $5 per person, 100 people buying the first month, that's $500. (Please note I have deliberately lowballed this number...new shiny syndrome is not just afflicting the developers...tons of our players suffer from it also.)
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
If you say that web folks get paid $30/hr, that's nearly 17 man hours to do it...and again, that's a serious lowball. A bunch of the code is already done via the VIP flag, and all you have to do is massage it into fitting a different flag on the account.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
PS; Why would you need FOUR web devs to massage a piece of code from doing one thing to doing a second fairly similar thing? That's like the construction crews I see all over the place with three dudes watching one guy work. Do not need all that!
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
you're pretty good at making up numbers.
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Once again you're pretending this would incur an extra expense when it would not.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Go look up web development salaries sometime. You'll see that I'm actually understating the numbers (for competent staff, that is). For Aggelakis' $500, you'll get staff that is actually worse than the current NCsoft web staff.
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it's like this-
If I'm some random citizen that wants to get some legal work done, I'm going to need to hire a lawyer, which will impose an extra expense on my budget.
If instead I'm a fortune 500 CEO that wants to get some legal work done, well, I send a memo to legal and they take care of it. Because legal work is an integral part of the business and they have a bunch of salaried employees who's job it is to handle these things.
The cost of this project would be a time measurement, not a dollar measurement- their payroll remains the same regardless.
Which isn't to say they don't have better things for their web devs to work on, just that your argument is a load of hoo-haw.
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and another note on the foolishness of the OMG IT SHULD ONLY B 4 PAYING CUSTOMERZ 'argument':
Logged in this AM to do some costume fiddling and marketeering (which I can do at the same time now, hurrah!) and thought I'd check in on the Market global.
Got in fine, had a nice chat with Cyvert & some other folk I didn't recognize.
In terms of general utility access to global chat is VASTLY more useful/desirable than access to forums. If a high tier vet has unlimited access to global chat, there is no philosophically defensible reason to deny ungated access to the forums.
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The web-devs in this case would be NCsoft's, not Paragon Studios. They have to cost things separately.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
The cost of this project would be a time measurement, not a dollar measurement- their payroll remains the same regardless.
Which isn't to say they don't have better things for their web devs to work on, just that your argument is a load of hoo-haw. |
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
In terms of general utility access to global chat is VASTLY more useful/desirable than access to forums. If a high tier vet has unlimited access to global chat, there is no philosophically defensible reason to deny ungated access to the forums.
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They aren't scouring Craigslist for work-for-hire temps, they have an in-house team already drawing salaries. Your list of imaginary expenses remains irrelevant.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
The web-devs in this case would be NCsoft's, not Paragon Studios. They have to cost things separately.
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| Two (at least) different groups responsible for global chat (which didn't need to be changed much) as compared with messing with the forum software + the market. |
Automating validation is the only hangup, aside from whether they care to be bothered improving things for an admittedly small population of forumgoers.
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switching gears to thinking about numbers, I've been scanning the 'currently online' listings the past few days.
Registered users swings between 1100 -1400 users, non-VIP registers users fluctuates between 30-40. Of those, quite a few are names I recognize as involved, helpful vets (Leandro, Bill Z, LISAR, etc).
Not a huge percentage, but on forums of a certain size quality trumps quantity.
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Bottom line: If you want full forum access, subscribe. Paragon Studios was up front with that. If you want more than the FREE GIFT access that you are currently enjoying, you can pay for it, just like every other subscriber.
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Odd. I could have sworn someone tried to make that point earlier. I may have been mistaken.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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At last, an irrefutable point. =P |
Hey, waddayaknow. I did see that point made earlier in the thread.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
We don't want the web team monkeying with trying to hack something into the system to track vet status, they do enough damage as it is with their custom script to tie the forum login to the game account login. |
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
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