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I often wonder if Paragon Studios reversed the labels for Brutes and Tankers on J_B's game client specifically, if that would solve his problem. He'd be playing something called a Tanker that he claims has enough mitigation to be tankers, and has the offensive mechanic he claims tankers were supposed to have, which would then seem to eliminate all problems.
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Originally Posted by LSK
Always talking how this should be done to improve a tank, (basically make a tank a brute is what u want).
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I don't think Tanks really need to worry about the other Melee ATs nor do the other Melee ATs want Tanks to. Keep the aggro off ranged and support teammates and let them do their thing, and everything should work out fine.
In theory, anyway.
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I'm sure he'd find something to complain about.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I often wonder if Paragon Studios reversed the labels for Brutes and Tankers on J_B's game client specifically, if that would solve his problem. He'd be playing something called a Tanker that he claims has enough mitigation to be tankers, and has the offensive mechanic he claims tankers were supposed to have, which would then seem to eliminate all problems.
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I think what he really wants is an AT with the defense of a Granite Tank and the Offense of a Fire armor brute.
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Thanks, no need to apologize. I understand where you were coming from. Challenging tankers is almost like a mandate here, I think. Something to make us better at what we do.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Alright, now that I'm not posting from my phone there's a few things I'd like to say.
First, I would like to apologize for the apparent tone in my first posts. I intended nothing personal or insulting, but when I'm posting from my phone brevity often comes across as snippy. I did not mean to diminish at all from your accomplishment of surviving Kronos without trouble. That is a feat and there's no other way to put it. |
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I only meant to stay that there are plenty of things you can do to keep your teammates out of harms way and that I did not see you talking to any of those points. As the author of a tanking guide, I wanted to make sure that this stuff gets called out.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Again, in my guide, I mention that you can tank all the enemies in the game, but you cannot tank stupid. If you were doing all you could, then that's all I was trying to say you should do. I wasn't trying to accuse you of tanking poorly, and again I apologize for how I worded things. You hadn't spoken to the contrary, so I pictured you doing the standard 'tank' thing of punching the bad guy until your team takes him down.
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As an update from our continued lifelong (so it seems) Crimson Missions, we faced (Tindoor and I) Kronos (Elite Boss this time) again in the end of the arc. This time, I had Tindoor and his bots attack the group in front of Kronos while I pounded on him. As I completed my first attack chain (using all of my attacks), Tindoor put the Malta group down, Kronos was down to less than a quarter of his hit points. Then Tindoor joined my attack. We took him done in less than a minute (between 50 - 55 seconds iirc) from the moment I attacked him until he dropped. After battling the GM version of Kronos last night, it seemed anti-climatic. lol
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How confident are you in that? I thought I said that there was a way to prevent footstomps and not only that sometimes it still can be done whilst using a melee attack|
Originally Posted by KnightofKhonsu
Footstomp...no one can do anything about that other than try to anticipate the attack.
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Key things that I try to avoid saying:
Anything like "no one can do" which to me can seem like something along the lines of "If I can't do it no one can" so also that means telling people what they "need" or would "want" although to most people its a lazy way of saying what's preferable.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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My referring to the Foot Stomp by saying, "No one can do anything about that," is in reference to being inside the effective range of the AoE when it does happen. Not that no one can do anything about the 'stopping' that attack.|
Originally Posted by New Dawn
How confident are you in that? I thought I said that there was a way to prevent footstomps and not only that sometimes it still can be done whilst using a melee attack
Key things that I try to avoid saying: Anything like "no one can do" which to me can seem like something along the lines of "If I can't do it no one can" so also that means telling people what they "need" or would "want" although to most people its a lazy way of saying what's preferable. |
You said about the Foot Stomp:
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
If Kronos Titan is compelled to hit me but can't do it with Footstomp then Footstomp providing there is adequate taunt control doesn't happen. I know of a way to still hit them in melee and still stop the Footstomp.
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Do or do not there is no try
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
How confident are you in that? I thought I said that there was a way to prevent footstomps and not only that sometimes it still can be done whilst using a melee attack
Key things that I try to avoid saying: Anything like "no one can do" which to me can seem like something along the lines of "If I can't do it no one can" so also that means telling people what they "need" or would "want" although to most people its a lazy way of saying what's preferable. |
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I do not say, to see what you might think for yourself which is an important thing to come to be able to do, footstomp will only hit people within a certain height off of the ground, but the target that does footstomp might be targetable with melee attacks from a greater height off of the ground. Now some melee attacks are 5ft range, some are 8ft and some by virtue of aoe range, cone range offer a bit more, it may be that you are above the ground incapable of using 5ft range attacks for you do not prevent footstomp but not incapable of using the others. Footstomp can happen even if you kite, because you do are not compelling the GM to hit you 100% off of the time or threat is competitive.
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Originally Posted by KnightofKhonsu
As you see, you stated, "you know a way;" however, you did not devulge that tid bit of information. There is a distinct difference here. I sure would appreciate it if you'd share that kind of information. As I am sure that tactic can be used against those GM that use Foot Stomp as an attack as there are plenty of them running around.
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He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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There is "try", I can't write people off, who are obviously showing good intentions and the inclination or interest to improve. Between knowing completely and not knowing anything is the grey area within which most of us reside. A learning Tanker may of not done good enough but one can see the direction they are heading and that their heart is in the right place.
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Originally Posted by LSK
Do or do not there is no try
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He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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I was quoting Yoda in Return of the Jedi
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
There is "try", I can't write people off, who are obviously showing good intentions and the inclination or interest to improve. Between knowing completely and not knowing anything is the grey area within which most of us reside. A learning Tanker may of not done good enough but one can see the direction they are heading and that their heart is in the right place.
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Alright, now that I'm not posting from my phone there's a few things I'd like to say.
First, I would like to apologize for the apparent tone in my first posts. I intended nothing personal or insulting, but when I'm posting from my phone brevity often comes across as snippy. I did not mean to diminish at all from your accomplishment of surviving Kronos without trouble. That is a feat and there's no other way to put it.
I only meant to stay that there are plenty of things you can do to keep your teammates out of harms way and that I did not see you talking to any of those points. As the author of a tanking guide, I wanted to make sure that this stuff gets called out.
Again, in my guide, I mention that you can tank all the enemies in the game, but you cannot tank stupid. If you were doing all you could, then that's all I was trying to say you should do. I wasn't trying to accuse you of tanking poorly, and again I apologize for how I worded things. You hadn't spoken to the contrary, so I pictured you doing the standard 'tank' thing of punching the bad guy until your team takes him down.
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