Honestly, Invul explains hulk very well. You guys are focus on Hulks ability to heal for almost anything just about instantly. Dull Pain explains this very well. It a huge heal which also makes one tougher right after you hit. Which goes along with fury and hulk getting stronger after entering battle.
So Hulk would be science: SS/Invul with leaping movement power.
Quote:
This - I didn't know about all the comics background this guy laid out, but without question wp best fits hulk's combination of invulnerability to various attack forms and fast healing.
|
Originally Posted by Justice_Bringer
Sorry, but the Hulk is Willpower, not Invulnerability.
Unlike the Juggernaut, he is extremely resistant to psionic attack. This has been noted many times through the character's history. Despite having a singular brain, it contains the mind of two completely different individuals and his rage makes him even harder to deal with. In one of Hulk's better feats, he was able to destroy the physical form of Onslaught (an Omega-level telepath) who had dispatched both the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Avengers at the same time. He'd have ripped Hulk's mind apart if it were possible. Hulk's regeneration is just as powerful as his durability. Although difficult to harm by normal means, he can be hurt not just by super powered individuals, but by adamantium (impervium in CoH) weapons and when this does happen, he regenerates almost immediately. |
Quote:
Invulnerability is close, but if the previous poster is correct about the ability to resist psi, that alone ruins it for invuln. Other than that though, wp and inv do both work in very similar ways, a combo of resists, def and healing.
|
Originally Posted by Louis_Cipher
Honestly, Invul explains hulk very well. You guys are focus on Hulks ability to heal for almost anything just about instantly. Dull Pain explains this very well. It a huge heal which also makes one tougher right after you hit. Which goes along with fury and hulk getting stronger after entering battle.
So Hulk would be science: SS/Invul with leaping movement power. |
Please. Hulk is clearly invul who is addicted to unstoppable. Hulks crash is in turning back to Banner. WP does not offer the resists the hulks has to non-lethal and smashing damage types, even use of WP T9 power the resist are below the base levels of the other resist sets.
The hulk's real vulnerability is to psi and magic mind control. He has been control by Loki and others use mind control powers and spell. Hulk is particually vulnerable to the sedation powers of telepaths. Hulk is far more vulnerable to mental manipulation and such then he is physical damage. His weak mind and low level INT makes him a almost a perfect patsy for mental manipulation. In the end if there any question to Hulk resistance to psi, Hulk has been possesed by the shadow king and others, so much for his vaulted Willpower.
In the end I checked an old Marvel stat book I had from some Marvel RPG/Card game.
Hulk's Str 20 when calm (Str is resistance to physical damage) 20 is hero max stat, 10 is the max for a human, above 10 is superhuman, Galatus 25 Celestials 30. Hulk's Willpower 9 (which is the high end of human but not superhuman). Hulk did not have any additional resistance to psi. So Hulks resistant to mental attack would be 9 and his resistance to being shot would be 20.
Dr. Strange for example has 16 willpower and 8 psi shield, giving him a 24 resist to psi attack.
Juggernat on the other is resist to mental and magic powers when wearing his helmet.
Quote:
Well we got one poster claiming he's got psi resists and one who claims he doesn't. As far as resisting physical attacks, he could be a wp built with io's to softcap vs s/l, lol.|
Originally Posted by Louis_Cipher
Please. Hulk is clearly invul who is addicted to unstoppable. Hulks crash is in turning back to Banner. WP does not offer the resists the hulks has to non-lethal and smashing damage types, even use of WP T9 power the resist are below the base levels of the other resist sets.
The hulk's real vulnerability is to psi and magic mind control. He has been control by Loki and others use mind control powers and spell. Hulk is particually vulnerable to the sedation powers of telepaths. Hulk is far more vulnerable to mental manipulation and such then he is physical damage. His weak mind and low level INT makes him a almost a perfect patsy for mental manipulation. In the end if there any question to Hulk resistance to psi, Hulk has been possesed by the shadow king and others, so much for his vaulted Willpower. In the end I checked an old Marvel stat book I had from some Marvel RPG/Card game. Hulk's Str 20 when calm (Str is resistance to physical damage) 20 is hero max stat, 10 is the max for a human, above 10 is superhuman, Galatus 25 Celestials 30. Hulk's Willpower 9 (which is the high end of human but not superhuman). Hulk did not have any additional resistance to psi. So Hulks resistant to mental attack would be 9 and his resistance to being shot would be 20. Dr. Strange for example has 16 willpower and 8 psi shield, giving him a 24 resist to psi attack. Juggernat on the other is resist to mental and magic powers when wearing his helmet. |
Truth is, he could be either depending on build, there is no right answer to get all worked up over. He's definitely a brute though, due to the fury mechanic - if anyone disagrees they're a big dummy head.
Quote:
I'm voting for the SS/INVUN Brute camp. Hulk can be calmed down by mental (psi) talents, hypnosis, tranquilizers, and even sleeping gas. The comics history pretty much backs up a "mez/psi/sleep" hole in his armor. |
Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
Well we got one poster claiming he's got psi resists and one who claims he doesn't. As far as resisting physical attacks, he could be a wp built with io's to softcap vs s/l, lol.
Truth is, he could be either depending on build, there is no right answer to get all worked up over. He's definitely a brute though, due to the fury mechanic - if anyone disagrees they're a big dummy head. |
But it's hard to make an exact correlation between a comic-book character and MMO power-sets. But in general.. a SS/INVUN Brute fits the bill. Kind of like "The Wretch" Arachnos Side.. *shifty eyed look*
My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
I'm playing a SS/Regen Brute, and it feels like the Hulk. Each time I press Rage and Instant Healing, I'm like "RRaaaaaRRGG, HULK Smash!!!" in my mind. Hulk is much more powerful when he's raging, not just strength, but also healing factor and resistances.
I'm only level 30. I first made the character as SS/Invul, but that felt more like Superman, which wasn't what I was looking for.
Quote:
Not interested in the game mechanics of some card game in the interest of fairness. Hulk doesn't frequently turn back into Banner during battles. WP doesn't offer the resists, but it allows for a total protection to keep you alive just the same.|
Originally Posted by Louis_Cipher
Please. Hulk is clearly invul who is addicted to unstoppable. Hulks crash is in turning back to Banner. WP does not offer the resists the hulks has to non-lethal and smashing damage types, even use of WP T9 power the resist are below the base levels of the other resist sets.
The hulk's real vulnerability is to psi and magic mind control. He has been control by Loki and others use mind control powers and spell. Hulk is particually vulnerable to the sedation powers of telepaths. Hulk is far more vulnerable to mental manipulation and such then he is physical damage. His weak mind and low level INT makes him a almost a perfect patsy for mental manipulation. In the end if there any question to Hulk resistance to psi, Hulk has been possesed by the shadow king and others, so much for his vaulted Willpower. |
When Loki manipulated the Hulk, leading to the creation of The Avengers, he did not do so with mind control. He did so with an illusion. He tricks people using his astral form and shape-shifting. Shadow King's never even made an appearance outside of an X-Book besides Citizen V and the V-Battalion Everlasting so I have to question when that supposedly took place.
I could go on, but...
http://www.shdb.net/Hulk/10-83/#tab3
Handles that quite well for me.
Virtue: The-Invictus (Blue)
The Emissary of Justice - Level 50 Fire/Fire Blaster
The Emissary of Justice. - Level 50 WP/Fire Tanker
Mesmerius - Level 50 Psi/Mental Blaster
Nucleoa - Level 50 Rad/Son Defender
In Hulk vs Thor...Loki literally takes possession of Hulk. Playing Hulk like a puppet pulling strings. This not mere trickery. Loki speaks though the Hulk to Thor.
Dr. Strange, Hulk, Namor all fight this Dark enitity, later believed to be the Shadowking which also takes control over Hulk. Dr. Strange and Namor continue to battle the Dark Possessed Hulk.
He has always be vulnerable to psi attacks. Hulk is the total opposite of willpower. He can't even control his own emotions and most of the time his actions.
Willpower is self control, the one thing that HULK is not. The master of the focused mind over the body. Hulk is not focused. He just Smashes everything.
Generally, the Hulk always turns back in to Banner once he calms down, unless he has made some deal with Banner, in which Banner Permits Hulk to remain.
I will say this though. In the older comics Hulk, Thor, Superman almost never bleed. They were just invulnerable, nothing could hurt them. As Wolverine's popularity has grown, it has gotten cool to get hurt. These days superman, Hulk and Thor are dripping blood almost all the time. Call it the evolution of comics. It makes for more interesting Comics. I can see the older version of Hulk, the one that never got hurt as Invulnerable with out a doubt. That's the Hulk thats still logged in my brain.
However, one cant deny with the newer versions of Hulk showing practically instant healing ability and the taking damage all over the place, would lead one to follow the regenerations path for hulk. In the middle of the two is Willpower which is nice balance of both as far as effectiveness but not concept wise. The mind over body control thing. Holding your hand over flame and telling your body it does not burn and therefore it does. Just not Hulk.
Um, first one is an animated movie. Second one is a cartoon.
Ever noticed how Jean Grey, Storm, and Rogue couldn't fly in the X-Men films or Clark took forever to get and learn his powers on Smallville? ...Yeah.
Virtue: The-Invictus (Blue)
The Emissary of Justice - Level 50 Fire/Fire Blaster
The Emissary of Justice. - Level 50 WP/Fire Tanker
Mesmerius - Level 50 Psi/Mental Blaster
Nucleoa - Level 50 Rad/Son Defender
It all part of lore man. The comics flux toons power even more so. Just saying animate series or animated movie, does not make it less true.
Quote:
Not true anyhow. See, the reason Hulk resists psionics is that he has two minds, in this instance the souls of Bruce and the Hulk were seperated, and the Hulk by himself does not resist psionics. Bruce was trapped somewhere or something, while Loki was free to use the unrestrained power of the Hulk to smash all the gods. Loki was stopped when Bruce was put back into the Hulk; he could no longer control him.
|
Originally Posted by Louis_Cipher
In Hulk vs Thor...Loki literally takes possession of Hulk. Playing Hulk like a puppet pulling strings. This not mere trickery. Loki speaks though the Hulk to Thor.
|
When in doubt, check the wiki.
Hulk DOES in fact have resistance to mind control. That being said I support the SS/Inv/Body camp.
Hulk's biggest thing is he so damned hard to hurt to begin with. Ignore the regeneration factor for a minute, just causing him damage to start with is hard enough. Bullets are useless when fighting him and explosives just tick him off. I would agree that trying to jam in as much regeneration as you could would make the best Hulk toon, but Inv is the best fit for the guy.
WP is a close second though, I'll grant.
If only someone had mentioned that he was SS/Inv+WP+Regen...
Oh wait...
- Xyzor, Lightning.Rod, Kagyx - Rubber Mulch / Wholesale Candy - Freedom Server