Remind me which powers Stealth is mutually exclusive with
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BrandX,
Posted on: 2012-02-09 03:55 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
It works fine with both of those (and stacks with Superspeed for full invisibility).
It's exclusive with all other stealth powers except IIRC Stalker Hide. It stacks with Hide, Superspeed, and Stealth IOs.
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Its only exclusive with powers that grant invis (Invisibility, Superios Invis), or powers that grant stealth (Hide, Shadowfall, arctic fog...). And is only exclusive if you are the caster of both powers. You can have your own Stealth along with other people shadowfall or even grant invis/group invis
EDIT: Ok, now im not sure if it stacks with Hide or is exclusive :S
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Hide is the exception. All other stealth/invis powers will cancel out if you toggle on Stealth. :/|
Originally Posted by Erhnam
Its only exclusive with powers that grant invis (Invisibility, Superios Invis), or powers that grant stealth (Hide, Shadowfall, arctic fog...). And is only exclusive if you are the caster of both powers. You can have your own Stealth along with other people shadowfall or even grant invis/group invis
EDIT: Ok, now im not sure if it stacks with Hide or is exclusive :S |
Sad really, as I've had a few Dark Armor Scrappers I wanted to take Phase Shift for concept with, but I couldn't see myself taking Stealth and skipping the in set stealth power, and taking those extra two powers for it was a waste :/
This goes with EA, Cold Dom, Storm, basically every Primary or Secondary Set that comes with a stealth/invis power.
As least with Stalkers hide, while pointless in PvE, I can still stack it!
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Thanks for clarifying this, im not a fan of stalkers so wasnt sure |
Originally Posted by BrandX
Hide is the exception. All other stealth/invis powers will cancel out if you toggle on Stealth. :/
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Just get the warburg phase shift. It's like 3 minutes work tops.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Sad really, as I've had a few Dark Armor Scrappers I wanted to take Phase Shift for concept with, but I couldn't see myself taking Stealth and skipping the in set stealth power, and taking those extra two powers for it was a waste :/
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It's also exclusive with temp costume powers.
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Minor correction. You can use click self-stealth powers and toggle self-stealth powers at the same time, because the exclusivity doesn't stop the stealth from stacking, it stops the toggles from being on at the same time.|
Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
It works fine with both of those (and stacks with Superspeed for full invisibility).
It's exclusive with all other toggle stealth powers except IIRC Stalker Hide. It stacks with Hide, Superspeed, and Stealth IOs. |
Right now, there's only two click self-stealth powers I can think of: the garbage one from Going Rogue: Complete Collection (Shadowy Presence?), and Group Invisibility from Illusion Control. Of course, both are full Invisibility, so there's little, if any, need to stack them.
And I think that ALL transforms are exclusive with Stealth toggles. I am certain that Halloween temp costumes, Paragon Market temp costumes, and Convention temp costumes are exclusive, as are mission granted ones (like the Arachnos Uniform in Faultline). The transform autopowers in newer missions include full power suppression, so they obviously block stealth as well. Kheldian shapeshifts are exclusive with ALL toggles, so stealth is obviously unavailable there. The only transform that MIGHT allow stacking with a stealth toggle is Granite.
Random thought: Does Nova take Fly sets? Can you slot a Freebird: Stealth in it?
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Using temp powers to acheive a concept just isn't the same. Okay, I did it once with Nemesis Staff, but that was it! And that was a perma power to do it, and I never actually used it, I just liked to wield it when standing around ^_^
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Originally Posted by _Ail_
Just get the warburg phase shift. It's like 3 minutes work tops.
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But...it lasts forever...like an hour of phased time or something...and looks exactly like phase shift. I don't understand how it would mess up a concept. It's not like it has you holding a staff or anything. It's your call though.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Using temp powers to acheive a concept just isn't the same. Okay, I did it once with Nemesis Staff, but that was it! And that was a perma power to do it, and I never actually used it, I just liked to wield it when standing around ^_^
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A partial selection from my 50's on Freedom: Ail = Ice/Traps, Luck = Street Justice/Super Reflexes Stalker, Mist = Bane, Pixy = Trick Arrow/Archery, Pure = Gravity/Energy, Smoke = Fire/Fire Dominator
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Which slightly annoys me, because why can't my Knives of Artemis costumed character stealth? That's practically built in to a KoA outfit isn't it?|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
It's also exclusive with temp costume powers.
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But I'm just bitter that Sister Jocasta immediately turns invisible and then whines that you're abandoning her if you so much as think about using a stealth power yourself.
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As far as I know, temp costumes are only in the Stealth Group and the Shapeshift Group (or whatever their names are). So you should be able to stealth while shapeshifted with any powers that stack with Stealth: Hide, Superspeed and/or a travel power with a Stealth IO.|
Originally Posted by Organica
Which slightly annoys me, because why can't my Knives of Artemis costumed character stealth? That's practically built in to a KoA outfit isn't it?
But I'm just bitter that Sister Jocasta immediately turns invisible and then whines that you're abandoning her if you so much as think about using a stealth power yourself. "Are you perhaps reconsidering our arrangement?" Why yes, Sister. Yes I am. |
And you have to go easy on Jocasta: She broke her anti-stealth goggles and that's why she can't follow you. It's also why she's deserting the knives. You should see the small print on the equipment loss clauses in their contract.
@Roderick
I'm trying to remember which powers the Concealment pool Stealth power is mutually exclusive with. Specifically wondering about Combat Jumping and Super Speed.