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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
You really seem to be spoiling for a fight, Hopeling
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It's not difficult to get those IO's any longer. Maybe back in issue 6 they were, but no longer. You could easily get all of them in under a week with H or V merits, regular merit rolls, AE tickets...etc.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
To get back to my initial post, my point was that if you have to have two performance shifters, the numina unique, the miracle unique, stamina, quick recovery and physical perfection, that doesn't really count as making endurance management trivial. That is a gigantic investment. That is essentially what TW requires, but fortunately that is a hurdle that is very leapable.
For instance, I skipped the two performance shifters and my build is not sustainable. That's the difference. Ain't exactly low end, is it? |
Okay so when I say sustainable, what I mean is capable of fighting indefinitely with no outside assistance. Inspirations count as outside assistance because you can run out of them if the fight is long enough and it's just one target so no more are dropping, for example. The thing about sustainability is that it's almost an academic issue because situations where there's no remedy at all for endurance problems are vanishingly rare. The reason I brought it up in the first place is that some people do care, and those people are more commonly known as scrapper forum posters.
What I do not mean when I say it is hard for some secondaries to be sustainable with TW on their own is that it is hard for them to be adequate, or to have enough endurance in most situations. That you can totally do. I myself have done that and I love the results. I'm not saying you can't do just fine, I'm saying you may not be able to fire your attacks as fast as they recharge forever in a vacuum.
Now if you're saying that your TW/DA is completely endurance sustainable without cardiac and without ageless, my response is I'd like to see that build because I don't know how you get good end reduction slotting out of the set's expensive but crucial aoes while still using the best available sets, which are obliteration and eradication, plus armageddon at 50. Those first two barely reduce endurance cost at all and must be supplemented with scirocco's dervish or multi-strike for that, except that if you're using oblits you're six slotting them and if you're using erads you're probably four slotting them. Not a heck of a lot of room for improvement, wouldn't you agree? What you could do is slot four erads and a generic endurance but that isn't really how I tend to do things, personally. Armageddon is pretty decent for endurance, but I didn't find the space for it in my reckless pursuit of defense bonuses.
In any case, I say again that titan weapons is a totally playable set with whatever secondary you want, but some of them will have endurance issues relative to other primary combinations because titan weapons objectively costs more endurance when running its better chains than most other primaries.
Thank you all for the wonderful input - I did in fact end up choosing TW for my powerset purchase...as for the secondary I've paired it with for my first character out of the gate?
Well, I decided to be a little contrarian and try something I've seen nary a mention of...Inv...I'll post back on occasion as I level to let you guys know how it goes... 
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
I don't know how you get good end reduction slotting out of the set's expensive but crucial aoes while still using the best available sets, which are obliteration and eradication, plus armageddon at 50. Those first two barely reduce endurance cost at all and must be supplemented with scirocco's dervish or multi-strike for that, except that if you're using oblits you're six slotting them and if you're using erads you're probably four slotting them. Not a heck of a lot of room for improvement, wouldn't you agree? What you could do is slot four erads and a generic endurance but that isn't really how I tend to do things, personally. Armageddon is pretty decent for endurance, but I didn't find the space for it in my reckless pursuit of defense bonuses.
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| I do not run either CoF nor OG, so there is no end consumption there, and I do not run hasten. Between the natural +rech and the 5 lotg +rech, the build runs a constant stream of attacks without need. I am not chasing max dps like some tw players, simply because max dps for me is the dps needed to kill _that guy_. |
I prefer StJ- it feels faster, and I'm sure if someone works out the math, the DPS between both sets is quite comparable. Too often on TW I find myself winding up and swinging at a target thats already dead.
Both FEEL pretty awesome and the sound design is great, Street is just a little more Go Go Go. TW is a little more Ally Oop.
StJ has the DPS advantage thanks to the lengthy recharge of TW's attacks, but obviously loses in sheer burst damage. Arc of Destruction, Follow Through, Rend Armor come close to making it respectable though.
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Originally Posted by Justice_Bringer
StJ has the DPS advantage thanks to the lengthy recharge of TW's attacks, but obviously loses in sheer burst damage.
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