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Wait, really? [Citation Needed] please.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Also the system favors the person who can make the most off a product. So even if I can prove I created something and Disney stole it the courts would rule that because it would be impossible for me to make as much money off of the product as disney that my claim of copyright is invalid... or some such.
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my bad, missed that last bit, but it still goes to my original post, if you're not distributing, it's not a problem (at least not yet)
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Originally Posted by Durakken
The problem with this is that copyright laws aren't just about making money, it's also about curtailing the ability of others to make money. For example, scanlations. Fans scan and translate manga and they are popular, but the original publisher now can't make money in america with that product, or as much, because it is already widely available...
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Alright, they aren't making a profit off it, the scanners, but they are distributing it. That's what makes them illegal. As mentioned earlier, these things get shut down very quickly. (Not entirely sure how the torrent sites get away with it, tbh!
)If the industry used it's brains it would be THEM doing the distribution, not dodgy scanners, pirates, etc. Until the relevant industries start using the internet properly, they will always be fighting a losing battle.
Look at the Steam system for games, for me it's a perfect example of how it can be done. I have bought games on there at full price, half price, next to nothing price. It must be making profit somewhere or it wouldn't still be there! Why can't the music industry do the same? Arguably, Apple does with iTunes, but it's a very restrictive system. It still makes massive profits though.
We built this city on Rock and Roll!
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Not necessarily true, if you don't hold a true copyright, but are still able to prove you created it first, you'll win.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
Also the system favors the person who can make the most off a product. So even if I can prove I created something and Disney stole it the courts would rule that because it would be impossible for me to make as much money off of the product as disney that my claim of copyright is invalid... or some such.
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Also, Mattel Inc lost it's case to MGA Entertainment over the Bratz doll line and was ordered to pay over $300 million for stealing trade secrets, among other things.
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The same thing that say, the xmas swag thread has, or Why is it during doomsday scenerio's people always make stupid decisions?, or Human potential, or There is a glitch in the matrix when....|
Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
So, like quite a few of Dur's threads, I have to wonder what this has to do with comic hero and vilain culture? This entire thread is off topic.
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It's a nerd culture forum.
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You know it's against the forum rules, yet you posted it.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
The same thing that say, the xmas swag thread has
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Lets just ignore that thread has a stack of pics of comic book and hero related stuff in it, shall we :P
This thread is against the rules, dude. You know that and yet still posted it. My thread was very on-topic, hence the mods allowed it without any modding
The other thread you mentioned? Also on topic as it's discussing classic movie concepts that are very relevant to this forum.
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Wait, really? [Citation Needed] please.
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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
Not necessarily true *editing*
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There is a lawyer around here that should be chiming in by next page so he should be able to tell you how it actually works and how it's wrong ^.^
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I asked how. Please explain. I looked at the rules and there is no rules against anything about this.|
Originally Posted by Coin
LOL, love that you picked my thread
Lets just ignore that thread has a stack of pics of comic book and hero related stuff in it, shall we :P This thread is against the rules, dude. You know that and yet still posted it. My thread was very on-topic, hence the mods allowed it without any modding The other thread you mentioned? Also on topic as it's discussing classic movie concepts that are very relevant to this forum. |
Also I didn't look at who started the threads... just that they have nothing to do with comics.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
The same thing that say, the xmas swag thread has, or Why is it during doomsday scenerio's people always make stupid decisions?, or Human potential, or There is a glitch in the matrix when....
It's a nerd culture forum. |
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I asked how. Please explain. I looked at the rules and there is no rules against anything about this.
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16. Zero Tolerance Policy
Immediate suspension or bans from the forum can result from any of the following: the posting of pornography; discriminatory remarks, remarks which are sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive; offensive on the basis of sexual identity, gender, or sexual orientation; excessive obscene or vulgar language; posts which discuss or illustrate illegal activity; providing links to sites that contain any of the aforementioned.
Bolded for emphasis.
The very subject matter you brought is about piracy, something that has been stomped down on here numerous times before. As someone who posts here regulary, in this section, I find it hard to believe you've never noticed it, I know I have
Zero Tolerance, they'll delete it in seconds.
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Originally Posted by Coin
Zero Tolerance, they'll delete it in seconds.
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We built this city on Rock and Roll!
or Zwill randomly pops in (he's done it before over the weekend)
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And as soon as one of those threads hits upon a topic likely to devolve into a political flame war, it will be mod bait as well.
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I'm asking why there is this distinction between this and that when they are the same thing. Commercials pay for tv shows via the premise you'e going to watch the commercials. If you aren't watching the commercials you aren't paying for the show thus you shouldn't be watching the show. Cut out the commercial part and say you just download the show that is ripped from a blu-ray. You aren't paying for it thus shouldn't be watching it. What's the difference and why is it that people view it as a difference. I never even thought about it till maybe yesterday and it just hit me that it is roughly the same thing. I just am wondering and it has nothing to do with changing things legally. I am just curious as to the thoughts of others and if we can come to some agreement on this odd thought.
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DVRing is legal, as far as I know. I'm asking why? in comparison to things that are illegal which seem to be the same thing.|
Originally Posted by Coin
Forum Rules and Regulations
16. Zero Tolerance Policy Immediate suspension or bans from the forum can result from any of the following: the posting of pornography; discriminatory remarks, remarks which are sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive; offensive on the basis of sexual identity, gender, or sexual orientation; excessive obscene or vulgar language; posts which discuss or illustrate illegal activity; providing links to sites that contain any of the aforementioned. Bolded for emphasis. The very subject matter you brought is about piracy, something that has been stomped down on here numerous times before. As someone who posts here regulary, in this section, I find it hard to believe you've never noticed it, I know I have Zero Tolerance, they'll delete it in seconds. |
I don't think that breaks the rules, but I guess you could interpret it that way.
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Yes, and if they do, they get locked. But I said "likely to", not just "able to". Some topics are much more likely to spark it than others.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
By the nature of what politics is everything can turn into a political flame war.
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| Commercials pay for tv shows via the premise you'e going to watch the commercials. If you aren't watching the commercials you aren't paying for the show thus you shouldn't be watching the show. Cut out the commercial part and say you just download the show that is ripped from a blu-ray. You aren't paying for it thus shouldn't be watching it. What's the difference and why is it that people view it as a difference. I never even thought about it till maybe yesterday and it just hit me that it is roughly the same thing. I just am wondering and it has nothing to do with changing things legally. I am just curious as to the thoughts of others and if we can come to some agreement on this odd thought. |
DVR is the new VHS/VCR. We set it to record programs we don't have time to watch because of our life/work scheduling.
As long as you are not distributing it, it is not illegal.
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Probably won't be deleted until Tuesday, holiday weekend & all that.|
Originally Posted by Coin
This whole thread will get modded out of existence on Monday anyway
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I could probably dissect Dur's novel theory about how copyright laws work, but that's too much like work for a holiday.
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Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon
"You gave us a world where we could fly. I can't thank you enough for that."
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Again, you don't pay for TV by watching commercials, you pay for TV by literally paying for it. The commercials are how the network pays part of the costs, and you are in no way obligated to watch them.
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But then cable TV got really, really popular...
Aye, I remember all the fuss way back when, when people realised that a TV licence in the UK could be enforced even if you didn't have TVm just the ability to recieve the signal, ie a VCR.
I think nowadays it also includes having a PC in the home with a internet connection, just because of BBC iPlayer. That's why content gets blocked to other countries.
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True! And even back then, you didn't sign a contract obligating you to watch commercials.
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Well I remember a time when you just paid for the TV and the DV... I'm sorry, the VCR. Of course the channel selection was tiny compared with cable TV. But my point there is beyond that one-time cost, TV was free!
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It's not an obligation...
Commercials pay for the making of a tv show. TV shows earn money from commercials based on how many people watch the show. The reason that is is because the show is giving the commercial a forum to convince that audience. If that audience is not watching those commercials then the commercials will not advertise during that show... if the show doesn't get the advertising money it can't be made thus no show.
The viewer is a small but integral part where in if they are doing x then y isn't happening thus z can't happen. You watching commercials is equivalent, in the process, to you paying for the show, because if you don't watch the commercials the show doesn't get made.
You are not obligated to watch the commercials, but when you don't the show loses it's ability to get money from advertisers. This is why a lot of the rating systems don't take into account DVRs and such, because people who are watching via DVRs are skipping the commercials and because they are those people have no value to the advertisers and as such shouldn't be counted or paid for by the advertisers.
I forget how the cable model works but you aren't paying for the shows. you are paying for access to the distribution if i remember right. the only time you pay for the shows yourself are like HBO and Showtime which has no commercials...
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Originally Posted by Durakken
It's not an obligation...
Commercials pay for the making of a tv show. TV shows earn money from commercials based on how many people watch the show. The reason that is is because the show is giving the commercial a forum to convince that audience. If that audience is not watching those commercials then the commercials will not advertise during that show... if the show doesn't get the advertising money it can't be made thus no show. |
Edit: As evidenced by movies, which don't have commercials but can still be pirated.
This is not so much a counter argument, but rather how it is seen by the system.
Also the system favors the person who can make the most off a product. So even if I can prove I created something and Disney stole it the courts would rule that because it would be impossible for me to make as much money off of the product as disney that my claim of copyright is invalid... or some such.