Liberty UGT and the reward table

1. Did the league get the 60 thread bonus? Yes
2. Did the bomb badge effort succeed? No, Think someone was distracted with Wife Aggro
3. Was the Avatar beaten while the seedling was spawned? yes
4. What AT role were you playing ? Ranged, Dark/Elec Blaster
5. What reward did you get? Rare
6. About how long did the trial last? 1.5 Hours, No AFK time

7. 1 Defeat, Got to cocky in melee range with a Olympian Guard. But I did rez and stun him back. Revenge is so sweet.

Shout out to Ukase for his great lead on these..

Exalted: my second UGT, and second UGT as a leader

1. Did the league get the 60 thread bonus? Yes
2. Did the bomb badge effort succeed? No
3. Was the Avatar beaten while the seedling was spawned? yes
4. What AT role were you playing? Blaster - range/support with clarions
5. What reward did you get? Rare
6. About how long did the trial last and how often did you go afk for more than a minute or two? Whole Trial 45minutes - Didnt go afk but I stood still for 5minutes to change Destinys (Incandesence to tp the league past the bombs since 1person wasnt listening and a bomb activited/blowed up) Then switched by to my T4 Clarion. I died 3x in the bomb/infested tunnel

Total Astral Merits, 17. We earned the Avatar Assassin, Tour Guide, Regenerate This badges.

@karmaa,

I will write it right here so you can get your props in public. When I make the bomb team, I ask one of the leaders and he tells me he won't try for it unless you're leading the team. So when you're not there, yeah, we blame you.

QP gets enough blame, you can share some of it.

Lol! Thanks....I think.....

The whole bomb team was awesome last night. Flowed well.

@Matt,

We don't care about Exalted.. :P LIBERTY forum

Although it is true that we aren't concerned with Exalted, every bit of data helps - provided it comes from a reliable source.

I don't think Matt has a reason to lie about it.

I feel like the folks that are watching this thread ought to at least know some prelimary findings.
Statistics can be used in a lot of different ways. The more data I have, the more reliable the information is. Until the devs reveal the actual formula, any of my findings are going to be speculation, admittedly.

But, I think (and feel) that if I can detect a pattern - by using AT as an independant variable, or if by using personal defeats, or a range of them, or any number of the questions that may be pertinent, I might be able to sort of tailor the trial strategy to higher rewards.

From what my stats training in college taught me, there must be a sample of at least 30 to be statistically significant.

The reason behind this effort may seem pointless - we either get the rare or very rare -- as told to us by the patch notes dated Nov 10, 2011
http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/news/p..._2011_live.php

But, some have commented that they have not gotten a rare or very rare on occasion. Outside of Liberty, there have been some that have only gotten 10 threads. (multiple d/c's, afk)

Several weeks ago, I got a common. There were a host of people on the trial that had never been on it, and had many questions that deserved answers. So, since it's hard to type and fight, my reward table suffered - thus the numerous macros I use now. (and since then, nothing but rares and very rares)
In my numerous, heated debates with support, I surmise that there are multiple participation metrics. I was told that I met the participation criteria, but not enough for the rare/very rare reward table. While this was at direct odds with what Baryonyx stated,

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=258774

I have to assume that there are things they're just not at liberty to share with the playerbase.

And this is the reason I'm collecting the data.

Arcanaville has posted on this topic in this thread:
http://64.25.35.208/showthread.php?t=258774&page=3

And, not just on that page. See, the bomb badge, when successful, only provides a random uncommon drop. That's 60 threads to craft - so given the extra time it takes to do the bomb badge - is it really worth the trouble? That answer will undoubtedly vary for each player -depending on where their toon in question is in their respective incarnate path.

But - what if succeeding in that bomb badge effort raises your odds of getting the very rare? From what Arcana has quoted from some source -presumably Baryonyx or Positron, that answer is yes.

Obviously, every trial run is a group effort. The leader will often choose the way they want things done and bark out orders (or requests, because they appear in the request channel,lol).

I'm by no means perfect, and I know more brains are better than one when trying to solve a problem. The evidence almost dictates that the rewards are earned, in a sense.

The participation metric weighs some unknown set of criteria to determine which reward tables the rng will choose from.

You either did enough to get 10 threads - door sitting, multiple d/c, afk, that kind of thing, or you did more.

Of that doing more - you either did enough to qualify for the rare/very rare table, or you did not. If you did not, then the rng rolls the dice where it randomly gives you one of the 4 choices, common, uncommon, rare, very rare. Obviously, the common would occur more frequently than the rare, thus the label it has.

So, with all those words, in short, what I'm trying to figure out is if going for the Mo, or a specific badge is more worthwhile than just trying to blitz through it.

Trust me, I've wondered the same thing.

We had at one time, tried to involve the whole league in this - but some players either simply did not understand or just couldn't remain in pace with the others and it was epic fail.

Sometimes, I think some of the players deliberately mess it up so we can zip through it.

And there are tactics for having the whole league involved for the first phase - --- IF the entire league can agree to not pass a designated point man and keep pace with that same point man. (or point man slow down)

Desdemona protects players within 30 feet of her from the blast. And if there are no mobs present to distract them, the pets will take the bombs down very quickly. But the AI that controls Des and her pets doesn't prioritize targets. And other league members have pets as well, fire imps, when tactics are on are the first that pop in my head.

Some days, I really could care less about the bomb badge, but other days, I want to get it for the others on the league that lack it.

In some ways, the extra uncommon drop is compensation enough for getting a rare instead of a very rare. Especially when it comes with a badge that a lot of the more prodigious badgers lack. Not quite as bothersome as avoids the green stuff, but pretty close.

Now that I think about it, there really is no reason that the rest of the league can't follow very closely behind the bomb team, or even participate with them, except for pets.

Last night, Des and her pets ran into the avatar room, cutscene started and she was just about dead when it ended -and was dead by the time we got to her. That's how spastic she and her pets are. The Des "handler" could always lay back a bit, and we may try that on a future run, just to see how it plays out.

Easy way to cut down time, add rewards and/or reward table 'good karma' for everyone?

Have the non-bomb teams follow behind the bomb team at a distance. I always prefer to be on the bomb team so I can only imagine how boring it must be for those 'left behind', so to speak, but it always struck me as odd that they'd cool their heels for no good reason. I say this, since the bomb team doesn't need to be so far ahead that it takes ten+ minutes for the league to catch up, when that's not required - at all.

In short? Follow the bomb team, but not so close ye trip on our heels. That way ye have fun cleaning up what we leave behind and cut down on wait time for you, and us - I kinda hate lookin' at that last bomb tunnel with nothin' to do. Plus, we could use healing and buffs now and again, too, ye know.

Your constructive criticism for the day, from:
Raven

Well, with an 18 man pug, no less - but with most of the usual crowd, we ran the ugt with those not on the bomb team just a couple minutes behind us, and it worked just like a charm.

I even went so far as to stealth past the mobs in that large room and start to snipe at the cluster of bombs. Sadly, I was remiss in telling the rest of the bomb team to stay in that room. Some mobs were attacking them, and a foot stomp or something knocked me in range and the bomb went boom.

Even so, our total time from start to finish was about an hour and 15 minutes.
We did have a smaller league, so the spawns were smaller, which may have had something to do with the shorter time, but I think we'll go with that from now on.

People that are inattentive are human - when they mess up something like that - they generally only do that once because they feel horrible about it - likely worse than anyone else. (at least after we've all had a 5-10 minute cool down, lol)
The mischevious ones, well, I think many of them are misunderstood AND they misunderstand the others as well. With a diverse crowd, some are likely to take issue with this or that. Sometimes personality gets in the way. So far, we've had some annoying things happen, but I think the league is either good enough to get it done, or it's not - barring deliberate sabotage or plain inattention - to things like the timers and when they start

For example, this evening, Moroso (@Cinder Frost) had went to tank the avatar by himself - and the timer did not start until des entered the room.

Did the league get the 60 thread bonus? Yes
2. Did the bomb badge effort succeed?
3. Was the avatar beaten while the seedling was spawned? No, we missed that by about 2 seconds.
4. What at role were you playing ? Melee, ranged, support, debuff.
I was on a fire blaster
5. What reward did you get? Very Rare
6. About how long did the trial last and how often did you go afk for more than a minute or two? Never went afk and the trial lasted an hour and 15minutes, approximately.

So your next ugt is going to be under 40 minutes right?

1. Did the league get the 60 thread bonus?: Yes
2. Did the bomb badge effort succeed?: Failed horribly (on purpose) Speed ugt
3. Was the Avatar beaten while the seedling was spawned?: Yes
4. What AT role were you playing ?: Mastermind/Demons/Dark
5. What reward did you get? Rare
6. About how long did the trial last and how often did you go afk for more than a minute or two?: The trial did not last over an hour, I did not go afk.

1. Did the league get the 60 thread bonus?: Yes
2. Did the bomb badge effort succeed? We didn't try it.
3. Was the Avatar beaten while the seedling was spawned?: Yes
4. What AT role were you playing ?: ill/rad controller
5. What reward did you get? Rare
6. About how long did the trial last and how often did you go afk for more than a minute or two? The trial lasted about 50 minutes, no afk.

1. Did the league get the 60 thread bonus?: Yes
2. Did the bomb badge effort succeed? didn't go for it. sped through
3. Was the Avatar beaten while the seedling was spawned?: Yes
4. What AT role were you playing ?: KM/WP scrapper
5. What reward did you get? Very Rare
6. About how long did the trial last and how often did you go afk for more than a minute or two? Trial lasted 49min and never went afk.

Well, I gotta say, I think the league did pretty good, all things considered.

I have no idea where Desdemona went. She was engaged in battle with the Avatar at one point, because when the seedling spawned, I targeted her and ran to her.

I think we had gotten her down to about 55% when she bugged out, because that's when we had all the team wipes start to happen to the extreme.
When that seedling spawns and you can't get near Des, well, there's not much you can do.

I found myself upset because I find out at the last room that a couple of people had never done the trial before. I'd asked when we formed up and nobody said a word. I think I'm gonna start putting a password in this post here, and the only people I invite will be the ones with the password.

But then, I'd only get 5 or 6 people.

Well, thanks for coming out, those of you who actually know how to read.

1/7/12

1. Did the league get the 60 thread bonus?: Yes
2. Did the bomb badge effort succeed? We didn't try it.
3. Was the Avatar beaten while the seedling was spawned?: Yes
4. What AT role were you playing ?: ill/rad controller
5. What reward did you get? Very Rare
6. About how long did the trial last and how often did you go afk for more than a minute or two? Trial lasted about an hour, no afk time.
7. Defeats: None

1. Did the league get the 60 thread bonus?: Yes
2. Did the bomb badge effort succeed? Yes.
3. Was the Avatar beaten while the seedling was spawned? No Des was too mean!
4. What AT role were you playing ?: ill/rad controller
5. What reward did you get? Rare
6. About how long did the trial last and how often did you go afk for more than a minute or two? lasted about an hour and a half.
7. Defeats: 2 One earlier in the trial, one during avatar fight. Super! wakie ftw!
Note: A lot of afkers during various parts. Not lengthy, but notable. Had several first timers, so I went a little slower.

Evening of 2011/01/08, Sunday edition:

1. 60 threads: Yes.
2. Bomb badge: Yes.
3. Avatar Assassin: No, if only Des would listen to orders.
4. Role: Thugs/Pain Mastermind, about half damage and half empath duty.
5. Rewards: Very Rare drop (already had all badges)
6. Duration: Usual, 90 min or so.
7. Other: No personal deaths, no afk.

1. 60 threads: Yes
2. Bomb badge: Yes
3. Avatar Assassin: No (*shakes tiny fist at Des*)
4. Role: Ninja/FF Mastermind; mostly damage this time
5. Rewards: Rare
6. Duration: As usual
7. Other: 3 deaths (*grumbles about stupid Olympian Guards*), Lichen duty