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Originally Posted by presleyster
I took a break from my Claws/EA scrapper to make a WM/SD brute the other day. I had a lot of fun cracking things with my mace, but waiting for a button to mash was killing my buzz.
Is there something else I could pair with /SD to get the same WM feel without the WM recharge blues? Does the pace pick up later on? I'd rather not play SS/SD, since I'm already playing an SS/FA brute with a buddy. What would you suggest? |
Warmace picks up a bit later on, once you have both Whirling Sword & Crowd Control (especially crowd control).
Until then its going to feel sluggish.
As far as smashy sets, its SS, WM & SM for the most part. BA has KD but its not going to be any speedier than WM.
StJ is pretty fast and has some KD, but it's pretty hard to beat SS, WM & SM overall for smash-factor.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
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*/SD is a waste of time on brutes/tanks when the numbers from a scrapper are so much better
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What makes /SD so much better on a scrapper? #confuse
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Originally Posted by Black_Assassin
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*/SD is a waste of time on brutes/tanks when the numbers from a scrapper are so much better |
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My friend did 1.3k damage on his SS/Shield brute at level 30.
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Originally Posted by Black_Assassin
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*/SD is a waste of time on brutes/tanks when the numbers from a scrapper are so much better |
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higher base damage on scrappers means you get more out of AaO
that 50% difference in damage is pretty noticeable - every combo that can be done on brutes that is worth making it going to have better numbers on a scrapper
SS/SD brute is probably the only reason I would make a brute with SD even then I probably wouldnt as the DPS will be mediocre, only really good for farming - and i already have farmers
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That... sorta clears things up.|
Originally Posted by Black_Assassin
higher base damage on scrappers means you get more out of AaO
that 50% difference in damage is pretty noticeable - every combo that can be done on brutes that is worth making it going to have better numbers on a scrapper SS/SD brute is probably the only reason I would make a brute with SD even then I probably wouldnt as the DPS will be mediocre, only really good for farming - and i already have farmers |
I was away for a few years, but I was lead (by threads like this) to believe that while scrappers had higher base damage and criticals, brutes get higher sustained damage because of fury. Is that not the case any longer?
I remember asking in /help what's the point of making a scrapper or tank when brutes can do either of those roles better. The general consensus was that scrappers were better melee dps for teams (they don't need stuff hitting them to get fury) and tanks were only better at "extreme tanking". Am I missing something here?
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Scrapper damage is more or less the same as brute damage as an average.|
Originally Posted by presleyster
That... sorta clears things up.
I was away for a few years, but I was lead (by threads like this) to believe that while scrappers had higher base damage and criticals, brutes get higher sustained damage because of fury. Is that not the case any longer? I remember asking in /help what's the point of making a scrapper or tank when brutes can do either of those roles better. The general consensus was that scrappers were better melee dps for teams (they don't need stuff hitting them to get fury) and tanks were only better at "extreme tanking". Am I missing something here? |
HOWEVER
Scrappers get there damage when they want it, as they want it
Brutes have to build up to their peak damage, and in some cases can outdamage a scrapper (SS/ire/Soul)
Brutes have higher base hp and higher resistance caps vs scrappers 50% extra damage
I prefer scrappers for everything apart from SS/Fire/Soul brutes
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Seriously, now that you can maintain Fury without even trying, on a team you won't feel you're contributing to damage less than a scrapper. |
Originally Posted by presleyster
I remember asking in /help what's the point of making a scrapper or tank when brutes can do either of those roles better. The general consensus was that scrappers were better melee dps for teams (they don't need stuff hitting them to get fury) and tanks were only better at "extreme tanking". Am I missing something here?
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There are outliers (Elec/Shield scrapper since they benefit from +dmg and the pseudopets, SS/Fire Brute which I have one and he's crazy, but maybe a SS/SD scrapper could top it if it was possible to make one).
Me, I prefer Brutes because I prefer knowing I'll be hitting hard most of the time instead of criticals (I didn't like Brutes before the Fury change because it was much harder to build Fury and after you walked down a hallway it was all gone, now you lose half and get it back right after some punches, from you or mobs). I also prefer Brutes because being a mostly controller/corr player, I love the fact they have aggro auras and even when I'm not tanking I can protect other squishies better than my scrappers (I always pick taunt on my Broots because of that).
I find scrappers fun, but since I love damage auras, I also like that they have the taunt component on Brutes and they escalate with Fury.
But tbh I never thought any scrapper or brute was severely outperforming my scrapper/brute on a team except when I played with SS/Fires (I took a break during the elec/shield craziness so I haven't teamed with many, I only know they're great for AoE, I have a fm/sd scrapper that's very fun and can hold aggro well
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The differences between the 2 ATs are somewhat blurred when both played by good players but i prefer the damage NAO from scrappers and the added risk of lower hp/res caps etc
I also am more of a scrapper at heart than brute, can get into scrappers much easier than brutes
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Yeah, couldn't agree more. I like Brutes (especially now with easy Fury building and maintaining) because I can deal a helluva damage and protect the squishies when needed (I dislike Tankers' damage, even a fire/fire didn't do it for me).|
Originally Posted by Black_Assassin
The differences between the 2 ATs are somewhat blurred when both played by good players but i prefer the damage NAO from scrappers and the added risk of lower hp/res caps etc
I also am more of a scrapper at heart than brute, can get into scrappers much easier than brutes |
When I wanna kinda do my thing on teams without worrying much about others I use my Stalkers (yeah they are inferior in basically every way to scrappers and brutes but I like the playstyle). Sadly the lolStalker is the guy that never gets Fortitude, Adrenalin Boost or the other long recharging buffs that are usually cast in 1-3 teammates at a time
I took a break from my Claws/EA scrapper to make a WM/SD brute the other day. I had a lot of fun cracking things with my mace, but waiting for a button to mash was killing my buzz.
Is there something else I could pair with /SD to get the same WM feel without the WM recharge blues? Does the pace pick up later on?
I'd rather not play SS/SD, since I'm already playing an SS/FA brute with a buddy.
What would you suggest?