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I emailed you the modded version of your PB so thats its 45% S/L without combat flight and includes Pulsar.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
I'd rather you not post my builds for reasons I've mentioned in other threads that I don't wanna get into.
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When it comes to simply single targeting and survivability versus a single AV I didn't look for that. I just looked at hitting 10 targets over time as a reasonable goal given what the maximum number of targets most aoes do.
I'll keep hold of the builds, they're too expensive for me to make but I might find time to compare them more deeply. If you finish your PB you would probably get a better ingame idea that no amount of excel can achieve. Good luck with it.
Each photon seeker has the opportunity to hit 10, but I just went with 10 hit by the three as thats the best I usually can hope for. The warshades better chance to proc a fotg -res will offer a slight difference but that would be part of what I would have to compare more deeply. My conclusion is from a ball park comparison. Excel the first time and know what to expect the second from all the things you could/should of done first for accuracy. If I excel again I'd do it differently to lend myself a better deeper look.
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I am very fond of running combat flight especially since I use both detonation and scatter in my AOE chain, it's nice to be able to hover above spawns and reduce KB when possible.
Yea one of the benefits of softcapped human form for Khelds is that both have access to the best single target chains (and have the survivability to pull off AV soloing). I posted in another thread that my shade is doing ~220 DPS with a full mire and before pets are taken into account.
I did a mix chain. Baring in mind I used your builds. If you want the excel, I'll see if I can zip it up and email you it, have to be a real life email though. I didn't elaborate why calculations are what and where but ya prolly guess.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Another thing we on the forums seem to forget is that builds that can afford perma light form also have perma inner light, enabling them to come closer to closing the damage gap between them and warshades.|
Originally Posted by Socorro
The forms are still useful if you don't have a 2 billion inf IOd build, which by far most players do not. We on the forums seem to forget that alot.
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SO builds, by contrast, might have a use for the forms, but also still won't do anywhere near the kind of damage (although they're closer now than before) that a comparably build warshade can do. AND they still have less survivability, due - as New Dawn pointed out - mainly to Stygian Circle.
In other words, the changes to Peacebringers benefited heavy IO builds exponentially more than SO and low end builds.
But only if they eschew the forms.
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You could always try uploading the excel spreadsheet to google docs and sharing the link. I'd be curious too.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
I did a mix chain. Baring in mind I used your builds. If you want the excel, I'll see if I can zip it up and email you it, have to be a real life email though. I didn't elaborate why calculations are what and where but ya prolly guess.
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The more people that see it the more I'd have to elaborate it. I might do a more elaborate one when I have the freetime and then show it as an open doc. It'll pay me to redo it better as you might know halfway through you can go "would of been so much easier if I did this and that" and then not have to bodge a quick fix making things somewhere in the ballpark.
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Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe
You could always try uploading the excel spreadsheet to google docs and sharing the link. I'd be curious too.
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He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Trust me, I know what you're talking about with regard to elaborating on spreadsheets. 
I was thinking you would send the link privately, but can certainly understand your rationale. No pressure either way - just making the suggestion.
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Agreed. But then you have that damnable Solar Flare which makes it hard to leverage those advantages. It's why I banished my 50 PB to Exalted to go unplayed.
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Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe
In other words, the changes to Peacebringers benefited heavy IO builds exponentially more than SO and low end builds.
But only if they eschew the forms. |
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I personally have a much easier time flawlessly soloing a door on a BAF when my PB uses her "Pure Nova and Dwarf" build than when she uses the "Pure Human" build. The human form aoes just don't get the job done as well, granted I didn't purple any of them but I do have Flare, Detonation, and Scatter. So at the very least, for myself, I find my AoE dps is still better in Nova, but I don't want to make any claims about single target because I think that might be better on my Human form build.
I keep the shapeshift build about because I consistently play it both at lv50 and on lowbie TFs in order to get a feel for how I compare to other "real" ATs, and when I give 110% and constantly rebuff Inner Light, Essence Boost, Light Form, and Hasten in between every fight I find that the Nova form especially has really improved in the last issue, the massive resists that I suddenly have in it are awesome. Of course, this raises the question of why I would want to play the Human form build, and that's definitely a problem at the core of this discussion. I know I saw someone post that there's no point to shapeshift out of Human form at level 50, and I can't say I agree with that at least in respect to Nova AoEs.
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Something you are missing out on by dropping -res procs from PB single target attacks is the ability to debuff AV's, I find the fotg -res in Orbiting Death will provide a much higher value than the same proc in solar flare.
I'd rather you not post my builds for reasons I've mentioned in other threads that I don't wanna get into.
And my Warshade gets his status protection from Clarion.
Edit: Even given a fairly even playing field with what you took into account, something else to keep in mind is that my Warshade will inevitably bring much more damage to teams given the disparity between dark extraction and photon seekers. If they're kept alive, I have 3 of them out at all times with ED capped accuracy and damage, plus reactive fire damage ticking 75% of the time on their attacks and the SA build up proc.