Fire/SS or Fire/Fire for farming

hi all, i just recently came back and decided to go VIP and was wondering what build is better for farming to IO? i built both on hero builder and it seems fire/ss would be a stronger build but just wanted some extra input. Thanks in advance

Out of those 2 for a farming tanker, I would take fire/fire. I am having a ball on my latest fire/fire/pyre tanker

yeah you can do good with either or but it has to be a brute.if you farm with fire/ss on a tank itll be alittle slower then fire/fire.see its fury which makes it worth the effort and built strongly can farm +4s/8 man spawns.my tanks can too ...just not as fast.

fire/elec also works fine ...however i use my elec/fire(brute) for my farming cause its just too much fun.

Thanks for the input, they were just both at 50 so i didn't really wanna roll a /fire brute. im doing this mostly for tickets and influence. sounds like fire/fire is the winner. ill post a build in a bit. Thanks for the feedback!

here is a build i quickly put together, i have most of these IO's already so it shouldn't take long to put together. let me know what you guys think. been awhile since i made a build so open to all criticism.

Thanks in advance

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Level 50 Science Tanker
Primary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Pyre Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Blazing Aura -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(3), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(3), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Erad-%Dam(7)
Level 1: Scorch -- Zinger-Dam%(A)
Level 2: Fire Shield -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam(7), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(9), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(9), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(11), S'fstPrt-ResKB(11)
Level 4: Healing Flames -- Dct'dW-Heal(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(13), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(13), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(15), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 6: Temperature Protection -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam(17), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(17)
Level 8: Combustion -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(19), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(19), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(21), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(21), Mocking-Rchg(23)
Level 10: Consume -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(23), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(25), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(25), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(27), Mocking-Rchg(27)
Level 12: Plasma Shield -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(29), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(29), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Aegis-ResDam(31)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 16: Super Jump -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 18: Burn -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(34), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Oblit-%Dam(37)
Level 20: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(37), RechRdx-I(37)
Level 22: Kick -- FrcFbk-Rechg%(A)
Level 24: Tough -- ImpArm-ResDam(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(39), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(39)
Level 26: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39), RechRdx-I(40)
Level 28: Fire Sword Circle -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(40), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(40), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Oblit-%Dam(42)
Level 30: Weave -- RedFtn-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(31), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(43), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(43)
Level 32: Stealth -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(43), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(45)
Level 35: Breath of Fire -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(45), Posi-Dmg/Rng(46), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), Posi-Dam%(46)
Level 38: Greater Fire Sword -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Acc/Dmg(50)
Level 41: Char -- Lock-%Hold(A)
Level 44: Melt Armor -- Achilles-ResDeb%(A)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Dmg/Rng(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50), Posi-Dam%(50)
Level 49: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(33), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(34), P'Shift-End%(34)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:

• 6% DamageBuff(Smashing)
• 6% DamageBuff(Lethal)
• 6% DamageBuff(Fire)
• 6% DamageBuff(Cold)
• 6% DamageBuff(Energy)
• 6% DamageBuff(Negative)
• 6% DamageBuff(Toxic)
• 6% DamageBuff(Psionic)
• 13% Defense(Melee)
• 11.75% Defense(Smashing)
• 11.75% Defense(Lethal)
• 21.75% Defense(Fire)
• 21.75% Defense(Cold)
• 6.13% Defense(Energy)
• 6.13% Defense(Negative)
• 4.88% Defense(Psionic)
• 4.56% Defense(Ranged)
• 17.06% Defense(AoE)
• 5.4% Max End
• 36% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 4% Enhancement(Heal)
• 57.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 5% FlySpeed
• 105.4 HP (5.63%) HitPoints
• 5% JumpHeight
• 5% JumpSpeed
• Knockback (Mag -8)
• Knockup (Mag -8)
• MezResist(Held) 5.5%
• MezResist(Immobilize) 4.4%
• MezResist(Stun) 4.4%
• MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
• 11.5% (0.19 End/sec) Recovery
• 6.93% Resistance(Fire)
• 6.93% Resistance(Cold)
• 6.25% Resistance(Toxic)
• 20% RunSpeed
• 4.5% XPDebtProtection

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as much as i like breath of fire.its simply not worth slotting it and under slotting your greater fire sword.

also i dont like the idea of stealth. you lose that defense once you attack.if you want more defense then id grab maneuvers

noted and noted, thank you. i didn't realize maneuvers would take that IO. i figure this should be able to ticket farm with ease. thanks again!

First I would second the Brute suggestion. Second, Ss/fire/mu. Keeping damage bonus near 600% is doable and makes farming fast. That being said, farming gets very old very fast for me at least. Good luck.

There's a little something you've missed. And that's endurance usage. As your build stands now, with all your toggles running, you're using 1.67/second. Standing still, you're fine, but once you start hitting the attack chain, you're going to be gasping.

I'm a bit curious about the Force Feedback proc - is kick going to be part of your attack chain? That would be something to see, I suppose. It's got a quick recharge time, so I guess you could kick something 10 times and hope it works. I wouldn't waste the IO in it.

I also agree that breath of fire is.........well, not really suited for a tank. I understand that you expect to have mobs in front of you the whole time, but the animation is a little slow, and I think the Greater Fire sword should get more of those slots.

I see you chasing bonuses, and that's fine. If you need to save some slots - I'd frankenslot burn with 4 dam/recharges. Accuracy in burn is really only necessary when severely debuffed (who'd farm debuffers?) or when tackling foes that are +4 and higher. The fire tank does deal AoE damage very well, but you're not at the resist cap, and you need to eat a purple every 30 seconds to stay near the soft cap.

It's odd to see the taunt set in Combustion. There are no damage enhancements in that set - and I don't think the bonuses are worth that - but they could be. I'd thought about slotting a taunt set in consume myself. Consume does very little damage - but combustion, though not as nice or as fast as Fire Sword Circle - it is worthy of a damage set, in my opinion.

If you chose the taunt set specifically for the recharge - there's another taunt set that gives the same recharge with 4 slots instead of 6.


Now - most important thing - why slot 3 red fortunes? As a fire tank, your fire damage resistance is capped at 90%. And unless you're farming Crey Cryo tanks, I strongly recommend 2 Gift of the Ancients and 2 LotGs where you have the red fortunes. The end recovery bonus certainly won't hurt, and it will provide a touch more defense.

Another note on procs: Some work just by themselves. Unless I'm mistaken, the chance to hold only works if you actually hit the target. Without an accuracy check - I don't think the odds are that good. It's not anything I look at because I'd rather have a certainty of damaging, rather than a chance of another type damage, hold, whatever.

Temperature protection: I know it protects against slows - but this is supposedly going to be a farm toon. Temp protection is not going to provide any use other than as an IO set mule. I'd put the steadfast knockback and res/def in there instead - and 4 slot your shields with reactive armor.

On knockback - either go with 4 pts or go with 16 or there abouts. Again, if you're farming - what are you going to farm that's going to knock you around?

Sorry, I'm really sleepy now -so that's all I have for you.

Understand that what you've made certainly isn't bad. The suggestions I made are based on the changes I've recently made in my own fire/fire tank.

Oh, one last thing. Consider the bruising that tanks have. The 20% debuff? Because of this unstackable 10 second debuff - you may want to find some more slots for scorch.