Power Weapons...


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I want weapons that are the source of the power...

For example a Mjolnir is a Hammer with the Power of Lightning. Thor get's hit lightning powers from his Hammer...without his hammer he doesn't have the lightning.

Likewise there is Captain Cold and Mister Freeze, both of which have Ice guns. Take them away and they are powerless.

I've always wanted an actual fire sword where the sword has fire powers and is the primary weapon instead of having to have some not quite what I want power set.

I don't see the problem that something like this would pose as Blasters are already melee secondary so have weapons that are largely melee but can have ranged powers should be an issue.

As far as secondaries I think melee secondaries alright for the idea but i'd propose a new style of secondary where they are largely innate that turn on and off based on power usage...something like where the more Brutes attack the stronger they get but instead of "stronger" a secondary power turns on at a given level so to maintain it being on you have to keep going.


 

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I want weapons that are the source of the power...

For example a Mjolnir is a Hammer with the Power of Lightning. Thor get's hit lightning powers from his Hammer...without his hammer he doesn't have the lightning.
Well, actually, Mjolnir was just a really, really damaging hammer that was very unwieldy to use because it was created with too short a handle due to Loki's interference since he was trying to win a bet over the quality of items crafted by two dwarves

as far as I know Thor was the God of Storms because he hit like thunder, not because he actually used thunder...most of the time, raw elemental powers in Norse myth were equated with evil monsters...predominately, Thor was a farmer's/laborer's/soldier's God.

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Likewise there is Captain Cold and Mister Freeze, both of which have Ice guns. Take them away and they are powerless.

I've always wanted an actual fire sword where the sword has fire powers and is the primary weapon instead of having to have some not quite what I want power set.

I don't see the problem that something like this would pose as Blasters are already melee secondary so have weapons that are largely melee but can have ranged powers should be an issue.

As far as secondaries I think melee secondaries alright for the idea but i'd propose a new style of secondary where they are largely innate that turn on and off based on power usage...something like where the more Brutes attack the stronger they get but instead of "stronger" a secondary power turns on at a given level so to maintain it being on you have to keep going.
That said...I would like to see an ability to add flame/neg/elec/etc to the various weapon sets we have


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Well, actually, Mjolnir was just a really, really damaging hammer that was very unwieldy to use because it was created with too short a handle due to Loki's interference since he was trying to win a bet over the quality of items crafted by two dwarves

as far as I know Thor was the God of Storms because he hit like thunder, not because he actually used thunder...most of the time, raw elemental powers in Norse myth were equated with evil monsters...predominately, Thor was a farmer's/laborer's/soldier's God.
*watches movie*
Your ancient mythology is wrong! The movie says so!

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That said...I would like to see an ability to add flame/neg/elec/etc to the various weapon sets we have
I'd like to see that too, but I want to see power sets that use the weapons as power source... I'd actually much prefer an AT called thematic which works like the epics in that you don't get to pick secondary sets...they are set with the specific primary.

Another solution would be to drop ATs and lets us mix and match sets, but that's not going to happen.


 

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*watches movie*
Your ancient mythology is wrong! The movie says so!
Sadly, a lot of people really do think this way.

Hollywood's version of things trumps any actual myths or legends in people's minds. Nevermind that Hollywood's version differs from a legend that is many centuries old, they made it a MOVIE, so the MOVIE is what is true.

I don't have a problem with the suggestion, but I'm not going to hold my breath on seeing it.


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*watches movie*
Your ancient mythology is wrong! The movie says so!
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Sadly, a lot of people really do think this way.

Hollywood's version of things trumps any actual myths or legends in people's minds. Nevermind that Hollywood's version differs from a legend that is many centuries old, they made it a MOVIE, so the MOVIE is what is true.

I don't have a problem with the suggestion, but I'm not going to hold my breath on seeing it.
Out of curiosity, how closely does the comic follow the myths in that regard? Not being either a Thor comic or myth follower.


 

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Sadly, a lot of people really do think this way.

Hollywood's version of things trumps any actual myths or legends in people's minds. Nevermind that Hollywood's version differs from a legend that is many centuries old, they made it a MOVIE, so the MOVIE is what is true.

I don't have a problem with the suggestion, but I'm not going to hold my breath on seeing it.
No joke! People still think vampires are these fanged, essence of cool, creatures created by hollywood, and yet can't back a vampire with sparkles. I just don't get it.


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No joke! People still think vampires are these fanged, essence of cool, creatures created by hollywood, and yet can't back a vampire with sparkles. I just don't get it.
That depends on who you're talking to ... I know my roommate can't cause it's a girls concept of a vampire and he would be (somehow) less of a man if he supported it.

Others don't deal well with change or have are set in the one way it is portayed and taught from myths

Me, as long as you can explain away how they are different, "vamires want humas to think they are vulnerable to light" I could care less, doesn't mean I would choose to watch the movie instead of any number of a hundred other movies :P

back on topic ... yes, weapon options for non-lethal attack powers with the ACC bonus


 

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Out of curiosity, how closely does the comic follow the myths in that regard?
Hardly at all. Most of Marvel's Asgardian characters vary from the descriptions in the Eddas. Which is probably a good thing from Marvel's point of view, otherwise they wouldn't be able to copyright it all. Although I believe Stan said he made Thor blonde rather than red because he knew nothing of the mythology.

Interestingly the Eddas have some surprisingly comic-book description in them, such as describing angry Thor as having fire coming out of his eyes and lightning crackling through his beard.


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Hardly at all. Most of Marvel's Asgardian characters vary from the descriptions in the Eddas. Which is probably a good thing from Marvel's point of view, otherwise they wouldn't be able to copyright it all. Although I believe Stan said he made Thor blonde rather than red because he knew nothing of the mythology.

Interestingly the Eddas have some surprisingly comic-book description in them, such as describing angry Thor as having fire coming out of his eyes and lightning crackling through his beard.
Also, Loki is Odin's brother, not Thor's. Thor is married to Sif, who has blonde hair, not dark. There's no Odinsleep...Gods and Giants get it on ALL the time (Thor's mother is actually a giant), even getting married some times...giant ladies are sometimes very pretty

wait, I should say Jotun, not Giant...giant is an ancient mistranslation

there's no indication that Jotun are actually any bigger than the Gods

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No joke! People still think vampires are these fanged, essence of cool, creatures created by hollywood, and yet can't back a vampire with sparkles. I just don't get it.
One of these days, someone is going to ask me to recommend a vampire movie that's as close as possible to the real world myths.


And I'll say "pretty much any George Romero movie"


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... Thor is married to Sif, who has blonde hair, not dark...
She ends up with hair made of gold, don't forget that.


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One of these days, someone is going to ask me to recommend a vampire movie that's as close as possible to the real world myths.


And I'll say "pretty much any George Romero movie"
Personally, I'd say the film "Near Dark" and the novel "Vampire$" by John Steakley.


 

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I want weapons that are the source of the power...

For example a Mjolnir is a Hammer with the Power of Lightning. Thor get's hit lightning powers from his Hammer...without his hammer he doesn't have the lightning.

Likewise there is Captain Cold and Mister Freeze, both of which have Ice guns. Take them away and they are powerless.

I've always wanted an actual fire sword where the sword has fire powers and is the primary weapon instead of having to have some not quite what I want power set.

I don't see the problem that something like this would pose as Blasters are already melee secondary so have weapons that are largely melee but can have ranged powers should be an issue.

As far as secondaries I think melee secondaries alright for the idea but i'd propose a new style of secondary where they are largely innate that turn on and off based on power usage...something like where the more Brutes attack the stronger they get but instead of "stronger" a secondary power turns on at a given level so to maintain it being on you have to keep going.
Y'know, thinking about this, I imagine the easiest possible option for this would be to add in weapon in hand animations on the blasting primary. So that you wave the different fire/ice swords when you shoot fire/ice balls. And maybe add some sort of mace/hammer/blunt weapon for the elec secondaries(as well as empty hands for the sake of fairness to the fire/ice secondaries), and add them accordingly to the primaries.


 

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there's no indication that Jotun are actually any bigger than the Gods
Bzzt. Circle get the square.

In one of the myths, while traveling, Loki, Thor and Thor's bondsman all sleep inside a cave that is actually the glove of a giant they met along the way.

In another myth, the gods get a giant to build the wall around Asgard because he is bigger and can build it higher.

But many giants and gods were shapechangers and could alter their height pretty much at will. For example, the wall builder made a deal to make the wall and as payment he got a goddess for his wife. The deal was he had to build it in one summer or the wall was free. In order to not have to pay the guy, Odin got Loki to slow him down, and Loki did so by becoming a mare to lure away the giant's horse. The resulting child was Sleipnir, which became Odin's horse.

This sort of stuff is all through the Norse mythology. Sometimes it seems like half the myths start out with something like "Odin, Thor and Loki were on their way to a party at the lair of the King of Frost Giants when...."

Of course, a lot of those myths end with "...and then Thor split the giant's skull with his hammer..." But still, a lotta fun.

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Out of curiosity, how closely does the comic follow the myths in that regard? Not being either a Thor comic or myth follower.
Marvel never really tried to keep their comic in line with the myths other than using the names and some of the relationships as inspiration. On the gripping hand, they did at times play around with how things were different in their 'reality' from the mythology. Without explaining too much of the back story to it all...

At one point Thor brought a TV news crew to Asgard and the camera guy (who had red hair and a beard) ends up with some 'Thor Power' and a hammer, and makes some remarks about looking more like the mythological Thor.

Sif has on several occasions made reference to or had comments made about her that point out she used to be blonde.

During Walt Simonson's tenure as chief writer for Thor, he brought in fimbulwinter, ragnarok and a host of other plot elements based on (at least more closely based than anything previously) norse mythology. A lot of people consider it the best stories written about Thor. Then again, Walt is also turned Thor into a frog for a couple issues and is responsible for Beta Ray Bill.

Quick link to the Ten Best Walt Simonson Moments

Anyways, Thor the comic has never really pretended to follow the mythology as anything other than an inspiration.


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Y'know, thinking about this, I imagine the easiest possible option for this would be to add in weapon in hand animations on the blasting primary. So that you wave the different fire/ice swords when you shoot fire/ice balls. And maybe add some sort of mace/hammer/blunt weapon for the elec secondaries(as well as empty hands for the sake of fairness to the fire/ice secondaries), and add them accordingly to the primaries.
What I would love for them to do is have it so all powers would have a choice in power customization where you can change the animation of all the powers to whatever you wanted... Though there are a ton of problems with animation and timing so I doubt that would happen...

It would solve that whole problem of "We must come up with a special thing for each power...before you get them" I would love a to have street justice combos with say dual blades or pole arms or a dual blad combos with katana or mace, but meh.