Morpher AT


Aett_Thorn

 

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I have been thinking for a while: Why don't we have any Beast-Boy/Ben 10/Carnage/Elastic Man-style Shapeshifting? I know we have khelds, but beyond that, nada. Thus, I propose the Morpher:

Morphers are a Form-Based Jack AT, mostly attack oriented. Now that we may soon be getting quadrupedal Skeletons soon, this could be not too far off! Basically, you get your single Primary set, Attacks(which are effected by your form) and a group of Secondaries to choose from(Your forms and defensive clicks/toggles/Autos).

Primary: Shapeshifted Fighting (Default Melee DMG[Smashing])

T1: Weak Attack: Melee or Ranged (Minor DMG[Varies])

T2: Basic Attack: Melee or Ranged (Moderate DMG[Varies])

T3: Weakening Attack: Melee or Ranged (Tiny DMG[Varies], Foe [Stun, Debuffs, or Knockback]

T4: Aim: Click (Self +ToHit)

T5: Strong Attack: Melee or Ranged (High DMG[Varies])

T6: Wide Attack: Melee[Cone] or Ranged[Cone] (High DMG[Varies])

T7: Build Up: Click (Self +DMG)

T8: Sweep Attack: Melee[PBAoE] or Ranged[PBAoE] (Superior DMG[Varies])

T9: Super Attack: Melee or Ranged (Extreme DMG[Varies])

Secondary Template: Forms

T1: First Form: Toggle (Self Small +Res/+Def, Normal DMG)

T2: First Auto: Auto (Self +Res/+Def/+Regen)

T3: First Toggle: Toggle (Self +Res[Mez])

T4: First Buff: Click (Self +Def[Ranged or Melee])

T5: Second Form: Toggle (Self Medium +Res/+Def, Medium +DMG)

T6: Second Toggle: Toggle (Self +Res/Def/+Regen)

T7: Second Auto: Auto (Self +SPD, +Res/+DEF)

T8: Second Buff: Click (Self +Res/+Def/+Regen, +ToHit)

T9: Third Form: Toggle (Self Large +Res/Def/+Regen, Large +DMG, +ToHit)

Ideas for Secondary(Form) sets include:

Animals(Wolf/Bear/Gorilla)
Dinosaur(Dracorex/Velociraptor/Dimetrodon)
Robot/Powered Armor(Small/Medium/Hulkbuster-size)
Elemental(Lesser/Normal/Greater)
Dragons(Wyrmling/Young/Mature)

Etc.

Any comments/forms ideas/improvements? Feel free to post!


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I think it would be cool if there were a chance to confuse or disorient based on your attacks and how frequently you shape shifted. We've been getting some combat modifier sets and I think that could work for this powerset. I would honestly think that shapeshifting secondaries would need to be toggles or inherents and the set would probably just be melee. I would also add that emotes and temp/vet powers are going to be greyed out while in non-human form. The animation time involved from development would pretty much guarantee we won't get shapeshifting otherwise. I would like to see actually six to nine forms with two to three attacks that do different things and get the player to shift and attack multiple times during a battle. I think it would be more dynamic and exciting. I would have shifting be near instantaneous as a hallmark of the set.


 

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the main reason we dont have any shapeshifting type of powerset right now is due to limitations of the game engine, with the current system stuff like this isnt very likely to happen if at all


 

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OP: have you tried Kheldians out? They have two different forms that you can morph into.


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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master View Post
the main reason we dont have any shapeshifting type of powerset right now is due to limitations of the game engine, with the current system stuff like this isnt very likely to happen if at all
Have you seen this?


 

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Originally Posted by _Klaw_ View Post
Have you seen this?
yes, but so far we havent seen it do anything else

also all current shapshifting powers (kheld forms and granite armor) dont really shapeshift you, they just change your characters avatar

being able to pull off an elastic man is something that this game engine cant handle at this time


 

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I'm fairly certain an elastic man type of powerset would not happen due to the intense development time and perceived interest being low. A beast mastermind or shape shifting set I can see as possible and there is obvious interest. People also ask a great deal for quadrupedal character avatars but that is most likely never going to happen due to animation needs. I think some limited animation time for a shape shifting set is possible and would sell in the market.


 

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Originally Posted by _Klaw_ View Post
Have you seen this?
Didn't see any shapeshifting being done.

Didn't see any use of existing power sets.

I did see something that at this point could be a really cool non combat pet.


 

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Yes but it seems that the animations aren't as hard as people say they are.


 

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Originally Posted by _Klaw_ View Post
Yes but it seems that the animations aren't as hard as people say they are.
It took them 7+ years to add them to the game. If it was easy we'd have had them a long time ago.


 

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I've found this old gameplay video from coh here, and I've noticed the shapeshift was an available powerset at that period of time.

Anyone here has an idea how it used to work?


 

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Originally Posted by Kitai View Post
I've found this old gameplay video from coh here, and I've noticed the shapeshift was an available powerset at that period of time.

Anyone here has an idea how it used to work?

no idea although that does look very similar to the CO character creator


 

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Of all the secondaries you have there, I'm actually less interested in the majority of "animals" (despite having an old concept that would take it) and would actually prefer the body morphing one-- even to go so far as propose it be a "melee-oriented" blaster powerset, though it would work better for the usual SCR, TNK, BRU, STK.

The thing with the animal forms is that you potentially have three or more different attack animations for each power in the set, thanks to the fact that one animal hardly attacks similar to another. Body morphing has better potential to get around that, in my opinion.

The other one I'd like to see is the dragon one, but they need to provide better costume options for dragons other than just the wings and that one head.


 

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Animal mastery,
I could see a standard melee set that a MM power and controler power. The MM power would be like gang war. "calling the pack" a pack of wolves (whatever you pick) would charge in to your aid. This power would cause fear. The controller would be ... instead of a normal tier 9 for melee, you'd have a pet ... a large wolf (whatever you pick).

This is if they don't want to put in the time for a full morphing set.

I like the morphing idea, but don't see it happening.


 

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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master View Post
no idea although that does look very similar to the CO character creator
That is the Alpha CoH character creator.


 

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Originally Posted by Violet Sorceress View Post
I'm fairly certain an elastic man type of powerset would not happen due to the intense development time and perceived interest being low. A beast mastermind or shape shifting set I can see as possible and there is obvious interest. People also ask a great deal for quadrupedal character avatars but that is most likely never going to happen due to animation needs. I think some limited animation time for a shape shifting set is possible and would sell in the market.
I see your point on the "Elastic Man" thing, and I just threw that up there because it was what came to mind. I was thinking the exact same thing on the concept of an Animals MM Set, and I would totally jump at it.

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Originally Posted by Twigman View Post
Animal mastery,
I could see a standard melee set that a MM power and controler power. The MM power would be like gang war. "calling the pack" a pack of wolves (whatever you pick) would charge in to your aid. This power would cause fear. The controller would be ... instead of a normal tier 9 for melee, you'd have a pet ... a large wolf (whatever you pick).

This is if they don't want to put in the time for a full morphing set.

I like the morphing idea, but don't see it happening.
I disagree. Like Violet said, there is a definite interest in that sort of thing, and the Dev team has established a very early precedent with the Squids, thus proving that the tech does exist to make such an AT. I'm sure the SCR may apply, but probably not on the level some of you are thinking.


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