Uh, Layman's terms needed on this, please.
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all_hell,
Posted on: 2011-10-17 18:26 in Player Questions
For exemplaring, everything is first adjusted to 41.5% if it's higher than that. So upping your lvl 50 IOs wouldn't help you one whit for malling down.
at least not for single attribute IOs
If you're talking sets, then the lvl 50's would get you more enhancement when malled down than the lvl 30s
But if you want to keep your set bonuses, then the lvl 30s would be abetter choice as you could keep your set bonuses to lvl 27
If I remember correctly, Common IOs have their rate of progression softcapped around Lv25 (where Lv30 and beyond only increase slightly more than the later interval). So Lv25-30 does sound like the best option if you wish to SSK down, and by nature, would still give you greater overall effectiveness than slotting one-aspect SO/Common IOs per slot at least.
A lot of advantages come from being a high level and SSKing down that don't necessarily disappear: The amount of inspirations and the chances of dropping medium inspirations vs. small ones; vast array of enhancement slots means you can have more aspects enhanced even if they're lowered due to SSK; being able to use one to two powers above the original level, giving you an advantage if you picked a useful one.
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The short version is that both of those options are a catastrophic waste. Except in some very weird circumstances, you will always be better off using straight, unboosted level 50s.|
Originally Posted by Deathbeforedisco
I can't help myself, I still use SO's until I hit level 47 and even then, most of the time, I just simply grab the salvage I need and buy the recipes and just make the plain old level 50 IO's and make due for most of the time.
Don't really fool alot with Frakenslotting and using IO enhancement sets and spending 8 billion infamy on a whole luck of the gambler IO set or what have you. Though, with the coming of Issue 21 and those enhancement boosters, I am really changing my tune and buying enhancment sets now. But I still ALOT of regular IO's which leads to my next question. Since I like to exemplar/malfactor down alot, would I get more benefit if I buy the level 50 Regular IO's and put 5 enhancement boosters in each one or should I buy the level 30 IO's and put 5 enhancement boosters in each of those? I tried reading the Paragon Wiki info on it and for most people, they do a great job, but I am simply not understanding which option is better. |
But it does matter which level you exemp to:
32 or higher = Use boosted 50s for enhanced benefit. There is no penalty for examplaring to this level.
20-31 = Use unboosted level 50s the boosts will be wasted.
1-19 = This is a mess. Use unboosted level 50s and call it close enough for government work.
Two rules come into play if you exemplar below level 31:
#1 Any bonus higher than 41.5 is reduced to 41.5
#2 at level 21 all your IOs are reduced to 58% of their full value (or 41.5 if they were reduced to that).
So, let's say you want to exemplar to level 21. A normal level 53 SO give 38.3% at level 50 it gives 22.21% at level 21
A level 50 IO is reduced to 41.5, then reduced again to 24.07%
If you use 5 boosts on the level 50 IO it goes way over 41.5, then gets reduced to 41.5 anyway, then reduced again to 24.07 so you gain absolutely nothing from the boosts.
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Thanks for the responses, I guess i'll save my money and stick with unenhanced level 50 IO's.
I don't know, I guess i'll just start a costume collection. Maybe buy some Windfalls, too. Those increase the chances of getting an incarnate shard from nil to just above nil! WAY better odds than me getting a date with Kari Byron on the Mythbusters! 
Ok, I do got a Night Widow and I am making a Crab Spider and I wanna get to level 50, I guess i'll buy some XP boosters. :'(
If the IOs you intend to slot are not Set IOs (ie; are Generic or Regular IOs) then slot the level 50 variety, and call it a day.
The only real reason to slot lvl 30 IOs is if you want the set bonuses, and you want to be able to keep them down to lvl 27.
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Not true at all. If you "frankenslot" you can get vastly higher total bonuses than if you slot just level 50 commons. And frankenslotting can let you keep those bonuses all the way down to level 20, whereas the level 50 common IOs get halved.|
Originally Posted by Madadh
If the IOs you intend to slot are not Set IOs (ie; are Generic or Regular IOs) then slot the level 50 variety, and call it a day.
The only real reason to slot lvl 30 IOs is if you want the set bonuses, and you want to be able to keep them down to lvl 27. |
For example, let's pretend that you have three slots and you put 1 common level 50 Acc, Dam and recharge into it. You have 42.5% a/d/r. If you exemp to level 20 you have 24.7% A/D/R.
Now, lets instead pretend that you put in three level 43 triple IOs each giving 19.7% A/D/R. At level 50, instead of 42.5% damage, you have 59.1%. At level 20, instead of 24.7% you still have 59.1%. Higher at 50, higher at 20. And no set bonuses involved.
"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
So if frankenslotting means putting in set IOs from different sets together in the same power (the only way to double or triple up on IOs that provide the exact same enhancement signature, e.g., Acc/Dmg), then doesn't that dilute the set bonuses you'll get since you won't ever have more than 2 or 3 from the same set in a power?
NOR-RAD - 50 Rad/Rad/Elec Defender - Nikki Stryker - 50 DM/SR/Weap Scrapper - Iron Marauder - 50 Eng/Eng/Pow Blaster
Lion of Might - 50 SS/Inv/Eng Tanker - Darling Nikkee - 50 (+3) StJ/WP/Eng Brute - Ice Giant Kurg - 36 Ice/Storm Controller
Quite right, Franken-slotting is for total enhancement and mostly ignores Set bonuses.
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When you Frankenslot, you're not totally ignoring the set bonuses, though. Often, you have a desireable set bonus after 4 or 5 slots. Then you frankenslot the remaining slots for some other enhancement: hold time, or endurance reduction, or damage, or whatever.
You're not totally ignoring set bonuses, your just going after the one's you want, and then frankenslotting the rest.
Other than Mind Link in a fortunata, which I slot for recharge and nothing else, I can't think of any powers that I *just* frankenslot. I just slot for enhancement after I get the set bonus I want.
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
Other than Mind Link in a fortunata, which I slot for recharge and nothing else, I can't think of any powers that I *just* frankenslot. I just slot for enhancement after I get the set bonus I want.
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Ideally, when possible, frankenslotting for exemplaring would be with lvl 50 quads, lvl 43 triples, and lvl 25 duals because each of these would allow you to keep the entire enhancement total down to lvl 21
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My understanding is that you need the level 24 duals because a 25 gives exactly 20% and that gets hit with the exemplar reduction.|
Originally Posted by all_hell
Ideally, when possible, frankenslotting for exemplaring would be with lvl 50 quads, lvl 43 triples, and lvl 25 duals because each of these would allow you to keep the entire enhancement total down to lvl 21
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If you're willing to use boosters, the absolute best is level 50+ quad, 43 triple and 24 dual.
But don't go 50++ or higher or you get over 20% and then are hit with the penalties when you exemplar down.
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I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
My understanding is that you need the level 24 duals because a 25 gives exactly 20% and that gets hit with the exemplar reduction.
If you're willing to use boosters, the absolute best is level 50+ quad, 43 triple and 24 dual. But don't go 50++ or higher or you get over 20% and then are hit with the penalties when you exemplar down. |
I was going by the wiki
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Exempl...n_Enhancements
Now I am worried and will have to see for myselfDue to Step 1, you can use up to level 25 Dual-Aspect IOs, level 43 Tri-Aspect IOs, and level 50 Quad-Aspect IOs and suffer no bonus reduction unless you Exemplar to level 20 or lower. (Those breakpoints are only accurate for Schedule A benefits. Schedule B's are higher, C's and D's are lower.)
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lvl 25 enhancements work just fine. All I lost was my alpha bonuses when I mal'd down.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
My understanding is that you need the level 24 duals because a 25 gives exactly 20% and that gets hit with the exemplar reduction.
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I can't help myself, I still use SO's until I hit level 47 and even then, most of the time, I just simply grab the salvage I need and buy the recipes and just make the plain old level 50 IO's and make due for most of the time.
Don't really fool alot with Frakenslotting and using IO enhancement sets and spending 8 billion infamy on a whole luck of the gambler IO set or what have you. Though, with the coming of Issue 21 and those enhancement boosters, I am really changing my tune and buying enhancment sets now. But I still ALOT of regular IO's which leads to my next question.
Since I like to exemplar/malfactor down alot, would I get more benefit if I buy the level 50 Regular IO's and put 5 enhancement boosters in each one or should I buy the level 30 IO's and put 5 enhancement boosters in each of those?
I tried reading the Paragon Wiki info on it and for most people, they do a great job, but I am simply not understanding which option is better.