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OK so if they change it to the boring and useless 7-9% accuracy that the other sets have, would that make everyone happy? Because, they aren't going to give it much more of a benefit than that. And then everyone can feel that the bonus is useless.|
Originally Posted by Oathbound
The point people are trying to make is that if it's going to be a bonus on an Archetype specific set, it should actually WORK for ALL possible combinations of that archetype.
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Of my three defenders, my main Cold/Ice doesn't benefit at all. My Kin and Time benefit to varying degrees, but I'm not even looking at the set for that. There are dozens of set bonuses that are useless. This one isn't even necessarily useless because everyone can have a heal if they want one.
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An accuracy bonus would be far more useful to a forcefield or sonic defender than a +healing bonus... and all defenders can use accuracy... especially since most of their blast sets apply a debuff.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
OK so if they change it to the boring and useless 7-9% accuracy that the other sets have, would that make everyone happy? Because, they aren't going to give it much more of a benefit than that. And then everyone can feel that the bonus is useless.
Of my three defenders, my main Cold/Ice doesn't benefit at all. My Kin and Time benefit to varying degrees, but I'm not even looking at the set for that. There are dozens of set bonuses that are useless. This one isn't even necessarily useless because everyone can have a heal if they want one. |
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I would prefer to have the healing bonus for the characters that can use it.
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
An accuracy bonus would be far more useful to a forcefield or sonic defender than a +healing bonus... and all defenders can use accuracy... especially since most of their blast sets apply a debuff.
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This is a gross miscarriage of justice and we cannot stand idly by and allow this to continue without raising our voices to the powers that be. 4 out of 10 defender primaries are being shafted yet again.
WE ARE THE 40%!
I propose that all non healing defenders rally outside of Atlas city hall until we receive equal consideration for a 4 slotted Defenders Bastion bonus! If this bonus is allowed to go to live it will widen the already vast rift between the haves and the have nots. Paragon will be forced to see and recognize the favoritism shown to the healing primaries while we the 40% are once again cast to the side.
I proclaim that until the 4pc Defenders Bastion bonus is changed to something useful such as immob resistance we the 40% will remain on strike!
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I'd prefer the 4 pc bonus to do multiple things INCLUDING a +heal bonus. |
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
I would prefer to have the healing bonus for the characters that can use it.
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Even something as simple as +X% healing and improves the duration of all buffs and debuffs by X% would be acceptable.
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Frankly yes, I would rather have a bonus that's at least of marginal use to EVERYONE, than one that's of use to some and absolutely NO use to others.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
OK so if they change it to the boring and useless 7-9% accuracy that the other sets have, would that make everyone happy? Because, they aren't going to give it much more of a benefit than that. And then everyone can feel that the bonus is useless.
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(I would certainly prefer a more unique bonus though.)
I play Defenders, Corruptors and Controllers more than all the other archetypes combined, the vast, vast majority have a heal (either from primary, dark blast, or medicine) anyhow and I'm STILL against the Archetype set having this bonus since it doesn't apply to everyone of that archetype.
Frankly, I wouldn't even care if not for it being the Archetype set. Devs want to put +Healing on Ranged sets? Melee sets? Resistance Sets? Fine. Perfectly happy for more options.
But as an archetype unique set. No. All bonuses on it should benefit all possible variations of Primary/Secondary for the Archetype.
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Not sure how simple that is. I'm not aware of any other modifiers to buff/debuff duration. I get your point. I'm just mystified that folks are willing to put this much energy into something that most people are going to ignore either way.|
Originally Posted by Kyriani
I'd prefer the 4 pc bonus to do multiple things INCLUDING a +heal bonus.
Even something as simple as +X% healing and improves the duration of all buffs and debuffs by X% would be acceptable. |
If they change it, it's going to be something small and generally useless. It's pretty useless now. About 8 points in Healing Aura, 13 in Heal Other. So I guess if folks want to stack an additional +7-9% accuracy (or whatever the change it to), I guess that's cool.
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One doesn't presently exist. But since [Power Build Up] and [Power Boost] are capable of buffing defense buffing, then a set bonus could be built.| Unfortunately, there isn't a single (de)buff that's common to (de)buff sets. Not one. Healing is as universal as it gets. Further, there is, as far as I know, no set bonus that would buff FF's ability to buff defense. |
+Strength to: Defense, Tohit, Healing, Regeneration, Endurance, Recovery and Movement, would affect every buff AND debuff that wasn't flagged "Unaffected by buffs", which frankly, no set bonus could help anyhow.
Of course, that whole suite still leaves sonic-resonance out in the cold, unless the duration of set bonuses' buffs is long enough that Liquefy would inherit the buff for a signifigant period of time.
Oh well. Better change it into an endurance discount bonus. Defenders love endurance discounts, right?
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That's just the thing, due to sonic/, there is no happy "buff every primary" bonus. Unless you justify liquify getting buffed as the sole reason it works for sonic.
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Originally Posted by Teeto_K
Of course, that whole suite still leaves sonic-resonance out in the cold, unless the duration of set bonuses' buffs is long enough that Liquefy would inherit the buff for a signifigant period of time.
Oh well. Better change it into an endurance discount bonus. Defenders love endurance discounts, right? |
Still not good.
I'm counting 5 for both, where are you getting one?
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