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Why are destiny and judgement disallowed while interface and alpha are not? Those can be integral parts of the decision making process for builds, and it seems unfair to disallow destiny especially.
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Because I know a lot of people use Reactive to get their DPS where they want it and I'm ok with that. Judgement I just feel is cheap. Destiny I was originally going to allow but decided against it, but if you can convince me why you think it should be allowed I'll think about changing my mind.
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
Why are destiny and judgement disallowed while interface and alpha are not? Those can be integral parts of the decision making process for builds, and it seems unfair to disallow destiny especially.
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Why not do this on the test server? So we don't have to waste 2 transfers per character to compete?
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
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Originally Posted by _Pine_
Why not do this on the test server? So we don't have to waste 2 transfers per character to compete?
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This is only one part of an event being put on by a friend of mine on my home server.
We're having it there because we play there, and anyone is definitely welcome to participate whether you're from Protector or not, but the event is still taking place on Protector.
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The only thing is many people build around destiny now, and which destiny you pick can make a big difference. Not being able to use rebirth could be a huge detriment to an sr, for example.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Because I know a lot of people use Reactive to get their DPS where they want it and I'm ok with that. Judgement I just feel is cheap. Destiny I was originally going to allow but decided against it, but if you can convince me why you think it should be allowed I'll think about changing my mind.
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k, then the turn out will be a lot smaller than it could be.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
This is only one part of an event being put on by a friend of mine on my home server.
We're having it there because we play there, and anyone is definitely welcome to participate whether you're from Protector or not, but the event is still taking place on Protector. |
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
He gave you guys nearly two months notice here. Whether you consider the reward to be worth making a new scrapper on a different server is one thing, but this is a forum that typically embraces challenge above all else. Looks appropriate to me.
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I won't be attending, but to play devil's advocate: Just as some folks use reactive to get DPS where they want it, I've used destiny to get recovery where I want it on some of my builds (not to mention Ageless gives a nice recharge boost). I could also see folks (such as the aforementioned /SR scrappers) dropping aid self from their build with the availability of Rebirth.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Because I know a lot of people use Reactive to get their DPS where they want it and I'm ok with that. Judgement I just feel is cheap. Destiny I was originally going to allow but decided against it, but if you can convince me why you think it should be allowed I'll think about changing my mind.
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I'm not trying to convince you it should be allowed, particularly, but I am curious as to your reasoning for disallowing it.
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
The only thing is many people build around destiny now, and which destiny you pick can make a big difference. Not being able to use rebirth could be a huge detriment to an sr, for example.
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The main thing I'm worried about is people using Ageless to get an unnatural attack chain going, it makes me feel sort of icky about the whole thing. The other ones I don't have a real issue with, but it would feel weird just disallowing ageless and allowing the others.
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Originally Posted by EJI
I won't be attending, but to play devil's advocate: Just as some folks use reactive to get DPS where they want it, I've used destiny to get recovery where I want it on some of my builds (not to mention Ageless gives a nice recharge boost). I could also see folks (such as the aforementioned /SR scrappers) dropping aid self from their build with the availability of Rebirth.
I'm not trying to convince you it should be allowed, particularly, but I am curious as to your reasoning for disallowing it. |
You have a point on the rebirth justification, but once again: ageless is just making me feel icky. Even the recovery thing, I'm just not sure how I feel about people making builds with gimpy recovery that relies on Ageless to get by, whereas reactive just makes a natural, sustainable attack chain do more damage I feel Ageless is too much of a cheap power.
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Originally Posted by _Pine_
k, then the turn out will be a lot smaller than it could be.
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And I'm perfectly alright with that. Next time you decide to give away 2 billion inf. of your own money, feel free to do it on whichever server you please and I'll do the same.
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I will not be attending, but mostly because of server transferring. Name grabbing, SG set up, and using transfers are all a pain in the butt. I wish you luck, and can understand why you would want to do it on your home server.| The main thing I'm worried about is people using Ageless to get an unnatural attack chain going |
I am mostly posting about the line above.
Like any other power that is earned or achieved, if they have it, it is part of their natural attack chain. For that matter so is judgement. I can see disallowing Lore, because at that point it is not the scrapper doing the damage, but a pet. I do suggest allowing the rest though. They earned it (just like any power or IO) so why remove it?
Good luck though!
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Unfortunately the same argument can be made for just about anything- People earned those Envenomed Daggers and Ultimate Inspirations by some means also but I'm not allowing them either.|
Originally Posted by Zyphoid
ike any other power that is earned or achieved, if they have it, it is part of their natural attack chain. For that matter so is judgement. I can see disallowing Lore, because at that point it is not the scrapper doing the damage, but a pet. I do suggest allowing the rest though. They earned it (just like any power or IO) so why remove it?
Good luck though! |
I don't want this to turn into an Incarnate Power debate but I guess it's sort of hard to avoid. The Rebirth point is noted and I think a valid argument has been made for it that I can see, but I still need to think it over a bit.
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Cool, I think thinking on it more is the right path to take. As for those temps, you are correct they did earn them. I can't see any scrapper who has done a pylon challenge corrupting their attack chain to work in an envenomed dagger though. Most scrappers who are at the level to run this as part of a contest have their chain down to a science. |
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Unfortunately the same argument can be made for just about anything- People earned those Envenomed Daggers and Ultimate Inspirations by some means also but I'm not allowing them either.
I don't want this to turn into an Incarnate Power debate but I guess it's sort of hard to avoid. The Rebirth point is noted and I think a valid argument has been made for it that I can see, but I still need to think it over a bit. |
For my point of view, take it or leave it I know it was not asked for, I suggest allowing all non pet powers. After all a scrapper is a tool box, and temps are just another tool. As for inspirations they are outside of the character, as in not powers. They are like performance enhancing drugs IMO. As a fighter I can use any move I know to win (will in some organizations) yet using drugs is not going to fly. Temps, pools, and incarnate powers are nothing but learned moves.
Even with my arguments I see where you are coming from, we just have different perspectives.
Again, good luck, I hope it goes well and you have a good turnout.
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So, by your reasoning, then, Nukes should be allowed? Specifically, chemical nukes? Because those debuffs kind of defeat the point of the challenge, don't they?|
Originally Posted by Zyphoid
For my point of view, take it or leave it I know it was not asked for, I suggest allowing all non pet powers. After all a scrapper is a tool box, and temps are just another tool. As for inspirations they are outside of the character, as in not powers. They are like performance enhancing drugs IMO. As a fighter I can use any move I know to win (will in some organizations) yet using drugs is not going to fly. Temps, pools, and incarnate powers are nothing but learned moves.
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For what it's worth, I can kinda agree with the whole destiny argument, though I think people should remember this is THB's hard earned money, and he'll spend it as he wishes.
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Right, but to follow your metaphor, you also can't bring a knife to a boxing match. |
Originally Posted by Zyphoid
As a fighter I can use any move I know to win (will in some organizations) yet using drugs is not going to fly. Temps, pools, and incarnate powers are nothing but learned moves.
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Like I said I will think about the Destiny issue, but there's no way I'm allowing Judgement or temps. It's just not gonna happen.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
though I think people should remember this is THB's hard earned money, and he'll spend it as he wishes.
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A tiny suggestion, do with it as you will. Give players a set ammount of time and a predetermined order, and see how many pylons they can destroy with all their Incarnate powers in the given time.
If they manage to take them all down, the person who plants the most bombs.
If multiple people manage to plant them all, the person who get's closest to defeating U'kon.
If people manage to do that in the time given, go with the person who did it fastest.
Would make it harder to organize and judge, but it'd remove any issues with what iPowers to allow, while being a heck of a challenge to boot.
Whatever you decide to do, thanks for taking your time to organize this event. I probably won't attend, but it's awesome to see people invest in the community like this.
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1st thing: Your event your rules. Hard to really argue with that.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Hey Scrappers! As part of the Naughty or Nice event on Protector (Starting on 12/2/11) I will be funding a little friendly competition open to level 50 Scrappers of any alignment.
The prizes will be as follows: First Place: 1 Billion inf. Second Place: 700 Million inf. Third Place: 300 Million inf. Each participant will take down a Pylon one at a time, and prizes will be awarded for fastest completion in the amounts listed above. There is no maximum number of participants as we have a three hour window to run the event, but only one entry per person is allowed. Now, there are some restrictions that will be in place. I may have to update this in case I forget anything, but as of now they are: -Level 50 Scrappers only. -No Judgement, Destiny or Lore Pets (Interface and Alpha are ok.) -No inspirations. -No Temporary Powers (Accolade powers are ok.) -No do-overs. -If you're playing a Dark set and you need to gather minions for optimal performance, it will count as part of your time. -One character per person may enter the contest. If you're interested in participating, either sign up in this thread, send me a PM, or send me a tell in game- (@Septipheran) I will be updating this post with a list of participants, just make sure to get your Scrapper over to Protector by December 4th! You should have plenty of time to hold onto a free server transfer. Thanks for reading, and I hope to see a lot of you at the event!  |
2nd thing: I'm with Microcosm on this one. Either all incarnate powers should be ok or none should be ok.
Last thing: Good luck with your event and I hope you and your group of friends have fun.
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Personally I would not allow temps either, but as you said it is not my inf. I have done many pylon runs, and never used a temp, or an inspiration. As you said it defeats the purpose. I still maintain that Incarnate powers are earned powers just as any other power is, and no they are not like temps because they are permanent and upgradable. I also never just judgement in my runs, but YMMV.|
Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
So, by your reasoning, then, Nukes should be allowed? Specifically, chemical nukes? Because those debuffs kind of defeat the point of the challenge, don't they?
For what it's worth, I can kinda agree with the whole destiny argument, though I think people should remember this is THB's hard earned money, and he'll spend it as he wishes. |
As fore deb debuffs, you do realize that interface has its fair share of debuffs.
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Lol, are you really comparing a chem nukes debuffs to an interface proc? Chemical Burn does MASSIVE -resist and -defense. Interface is a small, unnoticeable debuff.
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Originally Posted by Zyphoid
As fore deb debuffs, you do realize that interface has its fair share of debuffs. |
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Are you trying to argue? Sure seems like it. No I made a statement, and you seem to want to argue. Have at it, and enjoy the contest.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
Lol, are you really comparing a chem nukes debuffs to an interface proc? Chemical Burn does MASSIVE -resist and -defense. Interface is a small, unnoticeable debuff.
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I don't have any scrappers. May I enter with my mastermind? Perhaps as an exhibition match, of sorts, if the scrappers don't want to compete against it.
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I don't have any scrappers. May I enter with my mastermind? Perhaps as an exhibition match, of sorts, if the scrappers don't want to compete against it.
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I will have to confer with the council on this matter.
The reason I wanted it set up as a Scrapper exclusive was honestly to avoid potential time-wasters from entering and well, wasting time. Now I know you wouldn't be one of those people, but the problem is that I'm not sure if I would be comfortable making exceptions because it 'opens the flood gates,' so to speak, and I'm really trying to run this as fairly as possible.Speaking of which, you guys have all been pretty vocal about the Incarnate restrictions and I understand that. I've decided to update the OP to reflect that Destiny powers will be allowed. I think the best cases have been made for this and so it's a fair compromise- I'm not changing my mind about Judgement/Temps, and I'm really sorry if that's grounds for anyone not wanting to participate.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
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Hey Scrappers! As part of the Naughty or Nice event on Protector (Starting on 12/2/11) I will be funding a little friendly competition open to level 50 Scrappers of any alignment. This will be going down at 5 pm est.
The prizes will be as follows:
First Place: 1 Billion inf.
Second Place: 700 Million inf.
Third Place: 300 Million inf.
If I see a big enough turnout for this, I will also be filling my tray up with a bunch of random purple enhancements and passing them out at random to people who show up to participate in the event.
Each participant will take down a Pylon one at a time, and prizes will be awarded for fastest completion in the amounts listed above. There is no maximum number of participants as we have a three hour window to run the event, but only one entry per person is allowed.
Updated: Now, there are some restrictions that will be in place. I may have to update this in case I forget anything, but as of now they are:
-Level 50 Scrappers only.
-No Judgement or Lore Pets (Interface and Alpha are ok- After seeing how vocal the community was about this, Destiny is ok too.)
-No inspirations.
-No Temporary Powers (Accolade powers are ok.)
-No do-overs.
-If you're playing a Dark set and you need to gather minions for optimal performance, it will count as part of your time.
-One character per person may enter the contest.
If you're interested in participating, either sign up in this thread, send me a PM, or send me a tell in game- (@Septipheran)
I will be updating this post with a list of participants, just make sure to get your Scrapper over to Protector by December 4th! You should have plenty of time to hold onto a free server transfer.
Thanks for reading, and I hope to see a lot of you at the event!