Free/Premiums on teams and signature stiry arcs?
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Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2011-09-29 24:33 in Player Questions
I am going to say that they would not be able to enter the missions as that content is not unlocked for them. If they buy the content(which they can) then they would be able to enter and get rewards based on what they have unlocked.
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Normal Missions aren't a problem, but the Sig arcs are technically TFs (which now makes sense as a way to gate them from free players, who'd buy them if they can just piggy back on a VIP's mission?) and if they don't have the Arc purchased (or are VIP) then they can't join the TF.
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I don't recall anything about free/prems being locked out of TF's either.
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Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
Normal Missions aren't a problem, but the Sig arcs are technically TFs (which now makes sense as a way to gate them from free players, who'd buy them if they can just piggy back on a VIP's mission?) and if they don't have the Arc purchased (or are VIP) then they can't join the TF.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
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They are not locked out of Posi, Synapse, Sister Pysche, Manitcore, Numina, and Citadal or the other basic TFs. iTrials and other Incarnate related stuff would be locked to them.
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I know incarnate trials are, but the way The Spad was talking sounded like TF's were lock from perms by his logic that was what locked free/prems from sig stories.
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Originally Posted by Canadian_Stars
They are not locked out of Posi, Synapse, Sister Pysche, Manitcore, Numina, and Citadal or the other basic TFs. iTrials and other Incarnate related stuff would be locked to them.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
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He hit you with the Technically word lol. If you start the Sig. Story Arc in you team window it says quit Taskforce instead of just quit team.
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Sorry, what I meant was that they used the TF mechanic rather than normal missions so that they could lock people out of it, not that all Freebies are locked out of all TFs.
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Originally Posted by St_Angelius
I know incarnate trials are, but the way The Spad was talking sounded like TF's were lock from perms by his logic that was what locked free/prems from sig stories.
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Oh, i know that, and when you start you get the TF/Ouro arc TF window and you "agree to form task force" but like ouro arcs it isn't a TF. And it don't really answer the original question.
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Originally Posted by Canadian_Stars
He hit you with the Technically word lol. If you start the Sig. Story Arc in you team window it says quit Taskforce instead of just quit team.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
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I think what The_Spad means is that there is already a gating system in place for TFs - e.g., if you have a character on your team who's under the minimum level for the TF, it won't start at all. So it seems likely that they just added another gate to the existing TF mechanic, where if you have a player on your team who hasn't paid for the arc it won't let you start.
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Originally Posted by St_Angelius
Oh, i know that, and when you start you get the TF/Ouro arc TF window and you "agree to form task force" but like ouro arcs it isn't a TF. And it don't really answer the original question.
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Ah, right, am with you now. Though will be suggesting they (at least) buy a small points bundle when they can (if not go vip) for the first time reward token, can just sugest they use it to buy the arc, so hopefully only a temporary problem.|
Originally Posted by Selina_H
I think what The_Spad means is that there is already a gating system in place for TFs - e.g., if you have a character on your team who's under the minimum level for the TF, it won't start at all. So it seems likely that they just added another gate to the existing TF mechanic, where if you have a player on your team who hasn't paid for the arc it won't let you start.
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Thank you all.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
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Just a note, that you buy individual arcs, you don't buy access to all Signature Story Arcs with a single purchase (not counting VIP status)... I'm not sure how much the SSA costs, but, I'm pretty certain that if you plan to buy them each month, it might be a better idea to get a subscription!
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Originally Posted by St_Angelius
Ah, right, am with you now. Though will be suggesting they (at least) buy a small points bundle when they can (if not go vip) for the first time reward token, can just sugest they use it to buy the arc, so hopefully only a temporary problem.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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SSAs are 400 Points (£3.40 or whatever dollars - $5?) each so about 1/3rd of a subscription.
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Ah, I figured it'd be at least 800 points (which'd be just shy of the monthly rate for annual subscriptions). If I ever went preem, I'd definitely want at least one unlocked... so I could get those juicy HVMs easily |
Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
SSAs are 400 Points (£3.40 or whatever dollars - $5?) each so about 1/3rd of a subscription.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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That's why we do it, 2 merits for a nice global bonus IO.|
Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
Ah, I figured it'd be at least 800 points (which'd be just shy of the monthly rate for annual subscriptions). If I ever went preem, I'd definitely want at least one unlocked... so I could get those juicy HVMs easily
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And yes, I know ya gotta buy each one, but the first one is a quick 2 HM's for each of our new toons and another per week. and as for getting them to sub, that's more a long term goal for me with them at the mo. But then, my partner didn't even get to the end of the first week of her free trial before she decided to buy and sub, and then 2 days later freedom was anounced. But still, we both think it was worth buying the GR collectors edition for her then rather than holding off and making her a new vip once freedom launched.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
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Really, since they share a timer, there's no reason other than story to buy more than 1 sig.
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Assuming all future ones will start at level 10 like the current, you could roll a character, get to 10, and get eight HVMs (from the 7-part WWD series). You could then use those 8 to buy quite a few very nice recipes (getting to 25 for LOTG wouldn't even be that hard... certainly a lot easier than doing 80 tip missions!). And then, you reroll |
Originally Posted by rsclark
Really, since they share a timer, there's no reason other than story to buy more than 1 sig.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Is the first time award per mission or just the first time you do any one of them?
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
Assuming all future ones will start at level 10 like the current, you could roll a character, get to 10, and get eight HVMs (from the 7-part WWD series). You could then use those 8 to buy quite a few very nice recipes (getting to 25 for LOTG wouldn't even be that hard... certainly a lot easier than doing 80 tip missions!). And then, you reroll
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There will be 7 "first time" awards - one for each part, so pt 1, pt 2, pt 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 - and then there is a "one per week" award doing ANY of the seven parts.|
Originally Posted by rsclark
Is the first time award per mission or just the first time you do any one of them?
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So a brand new person buying all seven parts (currently valued at 400pp each, so 2800pp...about $35?) would get eight rewards by playing them all in a row, with one of them done twice.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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The first time reward is per arc, so you could theoretically get 7 A-merits if you did them all one right after the other. This is separate from the once-per-week reward, which can only be granted for any single arc out of the entire series. So you could run just one of the 7 arcs a second time that week and still get one additional reward, but any other arcs run that same week would not grant the reward.|
Originally Posted by rsclark
Is the first time award per mission or just the first time you do any one of them?
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We've been told that future arcs in the series will ramp up in level. While we have no specifics at this time, some players are speculating that they will go up in 5-level increments, so the next arc would cap at 25.
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Did they explicitly say this? It's not the impression I got.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
There will be 7 "first time" awards - one for each part, so pt 1, pt 2, pt 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
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Yes. I don't remember where it was stated (I think a Ustream?), but yes.
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Originally Posted by rsclark
Did they explicitly say this? It's not the impression I got.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Posi posted here on 9/21:|
Originally Posted by rsclark
Did they explicitly say this? It's not the impression I got.
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Originally Posted by Positron
To clarify the rewards on the SSA's.
There is a "First Time Played" reward, that is independent of the 1-week cooldown. Thus when you first play an SSA, it will seem like you can get two rewards. In the following weeks it will only be one. All SSA's share the same week-long cooldown, so when you have SSA 1.1 and SSA 1.2 and SSA 1.3, you can only get one week-long cooldown reward, not one for each. The above is the reason for the "First Time Played" reward. A player who starts playing SSAs in the middle or the end of the arc isn't gated by the week-long cooldowns. They can play each SSA and get the good reward table every time. Only after they have done the "First Time" will they be gated further by the week-long cooldown. |
But to get the HVMs don't they have to buy GR first and then the SSA?
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Ok, had quick look and couldn't find anything to answer my question, and can't quite remember seeing it being mentioned in anything i read prior to launch about it. So....
Premium can't get the contact for the new signature story arc and run them. but how does that affect a team of vip's that has a free or premium meber or 2 on the team? can the team leader not start the psudoTF or does the free/prem not get to enter the missions, or can they take part and not get the reward or something else?
I ask, coz my partner (who's only been playing a few months) and I have invited a couple of friends to try out freedom, and our general order of play now has our new toon's running the sig arc pt1 al L10 for the 2 hero merits. Can we still do that with one or both our free (for now hopefully) friends on the team or are we best skipping it for the old free arcs (frostie, midnighters, radio/safeguards)?