I21 PvP League friendly debates.
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Artic Keeper,
Posted on: 2011-09-20 08:51 in Everything about PvP
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I should probably recorded the whole convo when i was idling on the PoN vent where GFunny said all he cared about was getting some inf and Elf Stalker was negotiating his own trade.
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Originally Posted by Artic Keeper
1. That is not how I heard it, but anyway not trying to get into the whole, you say this and other people say that. Even if you are right your basically making yourself sound dumb. You paid for other people to be on your team so that they can be happy hmm that sounds no different then paying for one of your friends to have starting spot on a team so that they be happy regardless of talent.
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Fact is that captains do not have to keep drafting if they don't want to. So they will only have people on their team they either want to play, or think have potential.|
Originally Posted by Artic Keeper
Started this thread to keep other one from being derailed. If you have any thoughts on what said on the other thread let me know.
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If you're still concerned you can start your own team and guarantee yourself playing time.
The old leagues are done and are now meaningless.
I don't see the issue at this point.
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1. Ok, so I apologize for not getting all the facts I thought that I was being told by a reliable source. This still does not argue the fact that if a draftee gets drafted they may not playtime regardless of talent. All I'm trying to say is that the captains can basically do what they want, so why take a chance to not play? I rather try to make a team or be on a team where I know I will get playing time, sorry I just want to have fun.|
Originally Posted by MAD UMLAUTS
1.I should probably recorded the whole convo when i was idling on the PoN vent where GFunny said all he cared about was getting some inf and Elf Stalker was negotiating his own trade.2
Also you keep implying that you are good when you are farmable on a tank. Stop. |
2. I will agree with you I am quite horrible on my tank sorry to disappoint.
I can name plenty of so called pvp vets that are quite farmable targets as well but I wont point fingers cause that's a bit trashy.
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Bud also negotiated his own trade. I actually told artic Bud negotiated his own trade of himself and couger i think?, and G funny charged/Masque paid 2 bil on top of it all.
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Originally Posted by MAD UMLAUTS
I should probably recorded the whole convo when i was idling on the PoN vent where GFunny said all he cared about was getting some inf and Elf Stalker was negotiating his own trade.
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I was trying to leave you out of this Philly, but thank you for backing me up.|
Originally Posted by Phillygirl
Bud also negotiated his own trade. I actually told artic Bud negotiated his own trade of himself and couger i think?, and G funny charged/Masque paid 2 bil on top of it all.
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I already said on the forums that I was going to try to start my own team. Only thing I am arguing is that Draftees should not wait to be drafted, if the possibility maybe, that they may not get adequate playing time.
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Originally Posted by SmokeSignal
Fact is that captains do not have to keep drafting if they don't want to. So they will only have people on their team they either want to play, or think have potential.
If you're still concerned you can start your own team and guarantee yourself playing time. The old leagues are done and are now meaningless. I don't see the issue at this point. |
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Originally Posted by Artic Keeper
I was trying to leave you out of this Philly, but thank you for backing me up.
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The way you worded it it seemed like a negative on Masque when, as he said, he was only trying to make the best of a bad situation and get some friends off of a team where they wheren't wanted. Bud had already made the trade Gfunny just went for more by asking for money on top of the players. I had forgotten about Elf Stalker he traded himself and another off his team and left them floudering.
Captains should never be able to trade themselves it's BS.
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Why Bud's league is being used as a staple for anything is beyond me. That **** was an enormous joke.
Also, please direct all hate/angst/complaints/questions regarding the absence of "entitled to play for any team" rules at WARE.gov - Vinnie and I were the ones who suggested it be this way (it was received unanimously at the rules discussion).
It has nothing to do with being hardcore or competitive - quite the opposite. It will be a cold day in hell before I tell anyone on my team to sit for someone that none of them even want on the team. Every player on my team was ASKED to be on it.
Why should Spiner or Klesk have to sit out for someone infinitely less talented and infinitely less liked by our team just because we HAD to draft them and they HAPPENED to end up on our team?
I won't call myself a good player, but Vinnie actually enjoys playing with me - which is more than 99.9% of the community can say - so clearly I'm doing something right. I certainly didn't get good because teams HAD to play me. If I got good, it was because teams started WANTING to play me.
We didn't have to play Seethe in our d8 matches - we wanted to. Just like PoWT didn't have to play Venatrix in their d8 rounds, but she started in pretty much every official.
We WANT to play all 10 of the people on our roster - and we will WANT to play any player that we decide to draft. There will be no extras, liabilities, or bench warmers on our team.
I don't know what possesses people to think that they should somehow be entitled to play for a team - especially in a league format with an entered roster. Why should someone who we never would have allowed onto our roster get to play over everyone that we specifically asked to play for us? It's absurd.
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Okay I understand the whole thing now and opologize to Masque. But to be honest It still does not change my reasoning to stay in draft.
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Originally Posted by Phillygirl
The way you worded it it seemed like a negative on Masque when, as he said, he was only trying to make the best of a bad situation and get some friends off of a team where they wheren't wanted. Bud had already made the trade Gfunny just went for more by asking for money on top of the players. I had forgotten about Elf Stalker he traded himself and another off his team and left them floudering.
Captains should never be able to trade themselves it's BS. |
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And what I'm saying is that it is a non issue as the captains won't draft someone they don't want to play. Why is this a difficult concept? My God man.. I'm an insufferable carebear and even I don't see the rainbow pony block that's stressing you out.
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Originally Posted by Artic Keeper
I already said on the forums that I was going to try to start my own team. Only thing I am arguing is that Draftees should not wait to be drafted, if the possibility maybe, that they may not get adequate playing time.
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"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
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1. True|
Originally Posted by Silit
Why Bud's league is being used as a staple for anything is beyond me. That **** was an enormous joke.
2. Also, please direct all hate/angst/complaints/questions regarding the absence of "entitled to play for any team" rules at WARE.gov - Vinnie and I were the ones who suggested it be this way (it was received unanimously at the rules discussion). 3. It has nothing to do with being hardcore or competitive - quite the opposite. It will be a cold day in hell before I tell anyone on my team to sit for someone that none of them even want on the team. Every player on my team was ASKED to be on it. 4. Why should Spiner or Klesk have to sit out for someone infinitely less talented and infinitely less liked by our team just because we HAD to draft them and they HAPPENED to end up on our team? 5. I won't call myself a good player, but Vinnie actually enjoys playing with me - which is more than 99.9% of the community can say - so clearly I'm doing something right. I certainly didn't get good because teams HAD to play me. If I got good, it was because teams started WANTING to play me. 6. We didn't have to play Seethe in our d8 matches - we wanted to. Just like PoWT didn't have to play Venatrix in their d8 rounds, but she started in pretty much every official. 7. We WANT to play all 10 of the people on our roster - and we will WANT to play any player that we decide to draft. There will be no extras, liabilities, or bench warmers on our team. 8. I don't know what possesses people to think that they should somehow be entitled to play for a team - especially in a league format with an entered roster. Why should someone who we never would have allowed onto our roster get to play over everyone that we specifically asked to play for us? It's absurd. |
2. That's fine
3. If it's not suppose to be a hardcore or comparative league and just for fun then why would you bench someone eternally, If they are coming to practices and showing effort?( I am not trying to be smart here)
4. I think maturity comes to play when you are forced to be on a team with someone you don't like
5. The same result could be achieved by a draft
6. Ok cool
7. That sounds fine, but again this goes back to 3 if this has nothing to do with being hardcore or competitive why not pick up someone you don't know who may end up being good?
8. Fair enough that is why I am forming my own team, or trying to.
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lol sorry gotcha now lol my bad|
Originally Posted by SmokeSignal
And what I'm saying is that it is a non issue as the captains won't draft someone they don't want to play. Why is this a difficult concept? My God man.. I'm an insufferable carebear and even I don't see the rainbow pony block that's stressing you out.
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So basically if you do get drafted you will be played is now what I am hearing. I thought all draftees had to be picked up and there for getting stuck benched if they were the 11th or 12th or whatever that's how I understood it but ok, I got it now sorry.
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Here's the thing, I agree with Doritos Guy.|
Originally Posted by Artic Keeper
So basically if you do get drafted you will be played is now what I am hearing. I thought all draftees had to be picked up and there for getting stuck benched if they were the 11th or 12th or whatever that's how I understood it but ok, I got it now sorry.
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If you draft, say...Player X and they have a huge sense of entitlement but you HAVE to play them then it becomes an issue on the team and the team doesn't want to play for them, they start tanking, their time and fun is spoiled.
I've been on teams where this happened, lots of drama and it never ends well. You're MUCH better off being with people you like and going from there, improving or hell maybe you're a bench warmer but at least you have a global or Vent channel to go to and shoot the crap. I remember on Awesome Avengers we had Fire/Kin guy...who really wanted to play his Fire/Kin...and Hank took the time to sit with him and tell him maybe we can make you a good build or you can get something PLd but he raged and took his ball and went home; the rest of us worked with what we had and it was a blast.
At the very least you should be showing up to practice, willing to respec and that sort of stuff so you learn something. If you're going into that draft, be committed to the Sunday night matches and to practices and your teammates. CoH is about the farthest thing from hardcore anything but that doesn't mean you bail on teammates and so on...or that you start drama about them. Oh no, you ended up on a team that's getting rolled. Improve your evasion routes, get some Respite binds, judge your phase better etc etc. Eventually it'll be fun and that's the whole point, a fun game and league for everyone...
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The rule is the captains play who they want, but also that they don't have to keep drafting if they're done and have who they want. Everyone on a 10 or 12 or 14 man team can't always play, of course, and the captains will sort out who they want, where, and when.|
Originally Posted by Artic Keeper
So basically if you do get drafted you will be played is now what I am hearing. I thought all draftees had to be picked up and there for getting stuck benched if they were the 11th or 12th or whatever that's how I understood it but ok, I got it now sorry.
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We're not going to see teams picking up players they don't want and benching them all season.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
Keeper,
Thanks for making a seperate thread for this, as dumb as some people think this debate is, I'd rather it be here than clogging up official league posts.
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Started this thread to keep other one from being derailed. If you have any thoughts on what said on the other thread let me know.