Freedom PvP League 2011 - Rules/Guidelines and main thread.
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Posted on: 2011-09-19 15:29 in Everything about PvP
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Originally Posted by BattleWraith
Sure thing, just have him make a logo that appeals to me because I'm a snobby artist who thinks he knows better and can do better than everyone lol.
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LOL oh please Vinny. I'm a working graphic artist, anyone with a similar background would likely say the same thing. And when you are dedicating so much energy to turning this league into a pissing contest, don't be such a blatant hypocrite as to call me a snob for finding this logo a bit plain.
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I've met plenty of "working artists" in more than just the field of graphic design that did not echo that same attitude as the one that you have. For something that should be treated with respect (your craft, for example), it's often good to practice a little humility, which you are obviously incapable of doing.|
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
LOL oh please Vinny. I'm a working graphic artist, anyone with a similar background would likely say the same thing. And when you are dedicating so much energy to turning this league into a pissing contest, don't be such a blatant hypocrite as to call me a snob for finding this logo a bit plain.
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Also, making the assumption that I'm actually pouring energy into typing words with a keyboard in an attempt to make a league a "pissing" contest is erroneous on your part.
By your logic, I can draw the conclusion that you're pouring ample amounts of energy into being terrible at a game that you've been playing for years, taking away valuable time from what you're actually good at: Being an art snob.
Good for you for having a talent. I can't draw my way out of a paper bag. But the beauty in this current gp is in it's simplicity. He makes gp's not to astound people with the artsiness of it but instead to make it pleasurable to the eyes. Mission accomplished. We want people to enjoy reading our match commentary and our beautiful screen shots as well as look at our sponsors that have paid a pretty penny to have there names attached to the unstoppable force that is WARE.gov. So with your infinite wisdom look past your art so you can see the beauty that accomplishes our goals.
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You don't know anything about being a working artist, which involves taking criticism all the time. I said it was a bit plain, which it is. If Peril can't take that kind of criticism then he'll never go anywhere with art. Call the first art director that tells you something like that a snob and they'll show you the door immediately.| I've met plenty of "working artists" in more than just the field of graphic design that did not echo that same attitude as the one that you have. For something that should be treated with respect (your craft, for example), it's often good to practice a little humility, which you are obviously incapable of doing. |
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| Also, making the assumption that I'm actually pouring energy into typing words with a keyboard in an attempt to make a league a "pissing" contest is erroneous on your part. |
Why are you so ridiculously defensive about a logo? I've got a public gallery that anyone can look at to determine if I'm qualified to judge such things. Saying I lack humility and am an art snob over one comment really characterizes you more than anything. You should stow your ego for a moment and really reflect on it. Good luck.
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It is a very good guildportal site.
| Good for you for having a talent. I can't draw my way out of a paper bag. But the beauty in this current gp is in it's simplicity. He makes gp's not to astound people with the artsiness of it but instead to make it pleasurable to the eyes. Mission accomplished. We want people to enjoy reading our match commentary and our beautiful screen shots as well as look at our sponsors that have paid a pretty penny to have there names attached to the unstoppable force that is WARE.gov. So with your infinite wisdom look past your art so you can see the beauty that accomplishes our goals. |
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Working artist in the sense that I have made art my full time job, and draw a regular paycheck from it, or a working artist in the sense that I regularly practice a craft? What's pure nonsense is the supposition that you make on my behalf. I've been doing performance art on stage for 11 years, and that doesn't include battling. I've taken performance criticism from Professors at Juilliard. Please don't assume that I am so out of my depth in this discussion. I think it's interesting that you say that my calling you an "art snob" is a characterization of myself, yet here you are echoing the same dismissive tone. It's endearing, really.|
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
Pure nonsense. You don't know anything about being a working artist, which involves taking criticism all the time.
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| I said it was a bit plain, which it is. If Peril can't take that kind of criticism then he'll never go anywhere with art. Call the first art director that tells you something like that a snob and they'll show you the door immediately. |
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| I think you must be a bit steamed, your quote is distorting what I said which didn't involve "pouring" or a keyboard. You're guildsite has pissing contest written all over it. Call it what it is. Is it really that hard to be objective about it, Vinny? Really? |
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| Why are you so ridiculously defensive about a logo? I've got a public gallery that anyone can look at to determine if I'm qualified to judge such things. Saying I lack humility and am an art snob over one comment really characterizes you more than anything. You should stow your ego for a moment and really reflect on it. Good luck. |
Ladies, ladies.. please.... let's talk about Heal Decay and Travel Suppression instead. I mean, the developers are the real offenders here. They have allowed an even facilitated the fall of CoH PvP into an unacceptable state. Fight the power! Yeah !
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You are out of your depth, you have no visual arts background. Performance art could be anything from juggling to a postmodern deconstruction of museum displays. It has nothing to do with my assessment of his logo. I did theatre for 12 years and was published. Didn't help me with Photoshop.| Please don't assume that I am so out of my depth in this discussion. I think it's interesting that you say that my calling you an "art snob" is a characterization of myself, yet here you are echoing the same dismissive tone. It's endearing, really. |
Moreover, you can't seem to tolerate criticism of your friend's work regardless of the validity. You make a lot of silly assumptions and jump straight to an ad hom over a fairly trivial remark. As for whether comments on Peril's work were warranted, this is a public forum. If you guys really can't handle someone else's opinion on the site, don't boast about it here. I don't give a damn about how it looks but if someone says the other sites are too ugly I'm going to view it critically.
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| What I find laughable is your claim that you're a "working" artist. You're a stay-at-home Dad whose wife is the sole breadwinner of the house. Again, humble yourself. It wasn't one comment that you made, it's the tone that you take throughout the entire discussion. Maybe when you're in a position where Peril will need to go to you in order to take the next step towards advancing his art career will it be necessary for you to come off as such a hot-air filled twit. But I doubt that's ever going to happen. |
Btw the Julliard comment was really cute. Lol "I've taken performance criticism from Professors at Juilliard." Fyi I took some performance criticism from Willem Dafoe back in the mid 90s. I'm expecting my movie career to take off any day now.
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BattleWraith needs to get a better signature before dissing people about aesthetics.
Oh and lets be real. You dissing WARE's guildportal is basically just you looking for SOMETHING you can beat them at...cause it sure as heck ain't PVP.
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Originally Posted by BattleWraith
looks like you'd cream yourself over it.
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But seriously, you guys are arguing about art? I once took an Art History course, and all I learned over a year was that art means different things to everybody, so don't tell people what is and is not good. It is entirely subjective. *.
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
BattleWraith needs to get a better signature before dissing people about aesthetics.
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Yeah let's be real. I said the guildsite was very good. I said the logo was a bit plain. At least read the thread before you hop on, I thought you were more rational than that. | Oh and lets be real. You dissing WARE's guildportal is basically just you looking for SOMETHING you can beat them at...cause it sure as heck ain't PVP. |
Don't like my stuff? Shrugs. It's not for everybody, but at least I can tell you how and why I've done things.
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Weak? What are you even doing here? You're not contributing anything substantive to which to respond. The points I made about doing design work are based in reality. ANYONE with experience in the visual arts learns how to take critique and understands that when you put work out there it is subject to critique. THEY WANT THAT so that they can get feedback on how to improve.
The last couple pages are people flaming me over a comment about a logo. I'm sorry but is just a little bit of objectivity too much to ask from you? However poorly it was received, I made my point. If you wanna keep nagging me about it hit me up in game or we can get on vent and hash it out. Otherwise move along, you're the only thing drawing me back to this.
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You all take this way too seriously... it's like someone upchucked e-peen pride all over the last two pages of this thread... and in your sigs (some more obvious than others).
I am amused and therefore love you all.
Dexington--
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I don't think anything in this thread matters in any significant way. My opinion is "legitimate" because it's based on training and work in the field. You remain in the dark here.
| There you go again, thinking your opinion matters. Thinking your criticism is "legitimate". |
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Originally Posted by Dexington
There you go again, thinking your opinion matters. Thinking your criticism is "legitimate".
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Originally Posted by Dexington
Regardless, you seem to be unable to keep yourself from sharing ,with all of us here, that you need to be able to take criticism to improve.
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This thread got slapped with derail x1000. It's a video game, we're just here for fun...
Syndace--
I get in one of these forum flaps every other month or so, it's kind of a petty vice. Usually over a fairly innocuos comment like the logo one. I had a good laugh over it believe me. I do agree with them that my sig is not great. I put it up a year or two ago and stopped looking at it. So i'm going to redo it and there is a positive aspect to all of this.
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You're missing the point. If your work is any indication, you have no place scrutinizing anything in that vein. |
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
I don't think anything in this thread matters in any significant way. My opinion is "legitimate" because it's based on training and work in the field. You remain in the dark here.
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As far as anything being day-in and day-out with me, you'd know nothing of it. You don't even know who I am, but more to the point; I don't need to try to find a new angle to let you know that you're failing. Everything I've said is specifically applicable to you. Your inability to understand that is the only thing that puzzles me, but it's more than clear that it won't be changing.
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Originally Posted by BattleWraith
I'm really fat and bad and I need to go refill my Valtrex prescription while I search for someone who shares my narcissistic view.
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Self-fulfilling. Cute. Anyway, I'm bored.
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My work? Like these?| If your work is any indication, you have no place scrutinizing anything in that vein. |
How much indication do you need? Are you blind? Tell me more about how I'm failing here.
You're right I don't know you--you've shown nothing but ignorance, bile, and a crappy attitude. But by all means enlighten me. Tell me specifically how to not fail at art.
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The world will come undone.
Hi Everyone,
I deleted a series of posts containing personal attacks.Please remember to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
Thank you!
MOD 7
We'll let Peril handle making pretty logos.