APP/PPP considerations for Time Manip


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So I am looking to build some defense into my beam/time ruptor. I am split between Mace Mastery to get Scorpion Shield, or Power Mastery to get Power Build Up. What's the prevailing opinion between these two options? I'm seriously torn.


 

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Power Mastery for PBU is the best option in my opinion. PBU'd farsight and chrono shift are delicious. You're probably getting nearly as much defense from PBUing farsight as you would from taking scorpion shield


 

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Originally Posted by Emberly View Post
So I am looking to build some defense into my beam/time ruptor. I am split between Mace Mastery to get Scorpion Shield, or Power Mastery to get Power Build Up. What's the prevailing opinion between these two options? I'm seriously torn.

Mace Mastery: Additional weapon for this sets attacks, bonus pet.
+Def based Scorpion Shield.
It also has the Focused Accuracy (Toggle)
N.B. Villain that has completed the Black Scorpion patron arc required to earn this.

Power Mastery: Energy based and won't force you to have an additional weapon.
+Res based Force of Nature & Temp Invulnerability.
In addition to Power Build Up, you also get the option to Conserve Power (End Redux)

So for +Def it would have to be Mace Mastery, with it's redraw etc.

However and this is IMO, you also have to account for Dark & Psychic Mastery
Psi: Minimally resisted (Any mob with resistance to it has about 99%)
Dark: PBAoE Self Buffs and Self Rez (The only Corrupter APP/PPP set to have this.)


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Go Power Mastery.

Power Build-Up used with Farsight will grant more +defense than Scorpion shield.
You can also take the resistance shield and run it with tough for even more resistance.
It also has Conserve Power which will offset your endurance use.

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On Beta powerboosted Farsight was granting me about 22% defense.
ED Capped Scorpion Shield only grants 20% S/L (And 13% energy).


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Go Power Mastery.

Power Build-Up used with Farsight will grant more +defense than Scorpion shield.
You can also take the resistance shield and run it with tough for even more resistance.
It also has Conserve Power which will offset your endurance use.
Some very good points and I will have to take that into consideration. Adding a resist shield on top of some chunky defense is a good thing.
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On Beta powerboosted Farsight was granting me about 22% defense.
ED Capped Scorpion Shield only grants 20% S/L (And 13% energy).
My thinking was that Scorpion Shield at ~20% + Farsight at ~14% would be pretty nice for S/L defense. Does Farsight not give typed def? I haven't leveled to the point that I have it yet. If it only gives positional defense, then it's a no-brainer and Power Mastery wins for sure!

My main reason for thinking about Mace Mastery was because I find myself in melee all the time and I am not sure how to build for melee defense on the character.


 

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Farsight grants typed and positional, so I'm thinking M/R/A softcap should be possible.


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Farsight grants typed and positional, so I'm thinking M/R/A softcap should be possible.
That would be quite the thing. Is it possible to make up the ~23% deficit using maneuvers/weave/CJ/IOs? I have never tried on a ruptor; always went with S/L or ranged depending on what secondary I had.


 

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ED capped Weave/Maneuvers, CJ (w/ Kismet/LOTG/Defense IO) and a steadfast+def gives about 17% defense.
With boosted farsight, and that 17%.. should be at about 39% M/R/A.
6% defense left for cap isn't much.


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As was said in Gran Torino, "Your world is nothing more than all the tiny things you've left behind", let CoH be one of those things. Don't forget, forgive.

 

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Originally Posted by War-Nugget View Post
ED capped Weave/Maneuvers, CJ (w/ Kismet/LOTG/Defense IO) and a steadfast+def gives about 17% defense.
With boosted farsight, and that 17%.. should be at about 39% M/R/A.
6% defense left for cap isn't much.
If you have the patience, 30 hero/villain merits or 60 empyrean merits will get you the 3% Def PvP io as well.

If you're insane and have way to much time in-game that's only 10 days for the empys. =) Though I don't know anyone who can pull that off reliably.


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I'll toss in my support to power mastery. You should be able to softcap to everything without scorp shield and at that point PBU becomes a no brainer.


 

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For a Time I would say one of the Epics with Power Boost or Build up is the way to go. You can get some rather nice numbers with that affecting Far Sight. Just FYI, you can also go Soul Mastery to get Power boost, which gives some options for a Res shield, and a somewhat crappy Soul Drain, but it's there. Obviously with Soul Mastery Power boost has to wait til 44, so that is a downside.

So for a Corruptor, power boost will increase the defense given by Far sight by about 8%. You go from about 15% to about 23%. With tough w/Steadfast, Weave, CJ and Maneuvers slotted how I normally slot them, I'm seeing a total of 39-40% defense to all with a PB Far sight. So my numbers match up with others in the thread. Getting the last 5-6% from other IOs is really easy to be honest. A set of Gaussian's in Tactics or Aim would net another 2.5%, leaving you to only need basically 3 more defense bonuses, one for each of M/R/A to get to cap. A Thunderstrike in a ranged attack covers ranged, For Melee I like Obliteration in a PBAE if possible. AOE can come from Aegis in Tough, or a full set of Perf Shifter in Stamina. There you go, your capped to M/R/A.

I see alot of people picking up Scorpion Shield and it is nice, but I think it's better for sets that don't offer good M/R/A bonuses, but with Farsight, you have a very good base to work off of, so I think a lot of it would be wasted. I guess if you have a really tight build and didn't want to have to get Tough/Weave or Maneuvers, then you could get by with Scorpion Shield, but I think PB is better overall.


 

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Originally Posted by War-Nugget View Post
Go Power Mastery.

Power Build-Up used with Farsight will grant more +defense than Scorpion shield.
You're only comparing PU + Farsight to just Scorp Shield.

You should be comparing PU + Farsight (22% M/R/A) to Farsight + Scorp Shield (34 SM/L & 27 E primarily).


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You can also take the resistance shield and run it with tough for even more resistance.
It also has Conserve Power which will offset your endurance use.
These are the better reasons, although you will need to always time and cast both PU & Farsight together, and will not be able to put either on Autofire. Missing PU will also mean no longer being softcapped.

The other main selling point is 3 positionals vs. a handful of typed granting better coverage with the drawback of having to coordinate PU & Farsight.


 

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Deus Otiosus -
Thanks for completing my reply!
I should have compared all the +defenses, next time I attempt to help I will attempt to cover all points :3


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If you are going to add IO's into the build, its no contest to go for PBU.

It isn't all that hard to build for 20% Def to all, but being softcapped to everything isn't exactly required. Keep in mind you have a hefty 20% to hit debuff with time as well. So Range and AoE would be the most important, with a little melee tossed in shooting for 35%.

Something you can also do (what I did) is went for Clarion with the Powerboost Effects. Foresight lasts 2 minutes, Clarion with PB charges every two minutes. You can have a pretty insane defense buff from that.


 

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Also you have to remember you are a corruptor...

Power build up is also half a build up, and Aim+powerbuildup + Nuke =a whole lot of hurt.


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Originally Posted by Vysires View Post
For a Time I would say one of the Epics with Power Boost or Build up is the way to go. You can get some rather nice numbers with that affecting Far Sight. Just FYI, you can also go Soul Mastery to get Power boost, which gives some options for a Res shield, and a somewhat crappy Soul Drain, but it's there. Obviously with Soul Mastery Power boost has to wait til 44, so that is a downside.

So for a Corruptor, power boost will increase the defense given by Far sight by about 8%. You go from about 15% to about 23%. With tough w/Steadfast, Weave, CJ and Maneuvers slotted how I normally slot them, I'm seeing a total of 39-40% defense to all with a PB Far sight. So my numbers match up with others in the thread. Getting the last 5-6% from other IOs is really easy to be honest. A set of Gaussian's in Tactics or Aim would net another 2.5%, leaving you to only need basically 3 more defense bonuses, one for each of M/R/A to get to cap. A Thunderstrike in a ranged attack covers ranged, For Melee I like Obliteration in a PBAE if possible. AOE can come from Aegis in Tough, or a full set of Perf Shifter in Stamina. There you go, your capped to M/R/A.

I see alot of people picking up Scorpion Shield and it is nice, but I think it's better for sets that don't offer good M/R/A bonuses, but with Farsight, you have a very good base to work off of, so I think a lot of it would be wasted. I guess if you have a really tight build and didn't want to have to get Tough/Weave or Maneuvers, then you could get by with Scorpion Shield, but I think PB is better overall.
Don't forget the possibilities of Dark Mastery. You get an end utility power, a stun (that your HoT will cover the HP cost of) that you can combine with your Beam stun, a perma-able Soul Drain and a good resist toggle. Using the slow bubble with your stuns, your -tohit PBAoE and your heal and you should be in no trouble in melee at all. Just use some T'strikes to get your ranged D covered and you can be a very decent tanktrollfendrupter type.
It also leaves much of your IOs free to concentrate on stuff like HP, End and Dmg. Then again, lots of the APPs do this too. Just with not quite as much flair.