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You're making these broad statements that are in no way relevant to the mechanical changes made for Peacebringers. Please specifically address your concerns.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
And I disagree. I'll say it one more time to be sure: I have no problem with it. Nevertheless, it may not be for everyone, and I would hate to see a lot of cookie-cutter Peacebringers.
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Please read the words that I use. I have no concerns other than everyone doing the same thing.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
You're making these broad statements that are in no way relevant to the mechanical changes made for Peacebringers. Please specifically address your concerns.
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'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
Please read the words that I use. I have no concerns other than everyone doing the same thing.
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Your concern is that everyone will build their character for optimal performance?
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Originally Posted by Aneko
The second question should be: is it worth it? People seem to think so, but after playing a perma-Light, I found that I preferred my current build on Live. I'm not saying anything against it, just that sometimes it might look better on paper.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
Like I said, I have nothing against perma-Light, and didn't say anything about its performance. It just didn't suit my playstyle, and it might be a mistake for everyone to think it will be the only way to go. Judging by early conversations during Beta, though, I seem to be in the minority who's been enjoying my Peacebringers for years.
Also, I'm sure it makes a much bigger difference to people who use Nova. <.< |
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Originally Posted by Aneko
Why do you insist that there's a problem? I like what I'm currently doing better. My survivability is fine, thank you.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
You seem to be the type of person that prompted me to post in this thread. I'm sorry if you were unable to build a viable Peacebringer without perma-Light, but it's really not the only way.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
And I disagree. I'll say it one more time to be sure: I have no problem with it. Nevertheless, it may not be for everyone, and I would hate to see a lot of cookie-cutter Peacebringers.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
Please read the words that I use. I have no concerns other than everyone doing the same thing.
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I can certainly understand that some playstyles are not for others, but I don't see the reason for the hostility you're showing on this thread towards those that look forward to doing what warshades have been able to do for a long time. Please don't tell me you're just one of those, "I liked it before it got better" types? That would be disappointing.
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That's one way to end a conversation: say something ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Your concern is that everyone will build their character for optimal performance?
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'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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Nothing that you quoted says that I don't like the changes, and I certainly don't see any hostility.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
You seem to have very strong feelings regarding the subject, but are apparently unwilling to elaborate on the particulars of why you do not like the changes. If I may be so bold, may I suggest now is the time to try?
I can certainly understand that some playstyles are not for others, but I don't see the reason for the hostility you're showing on this thread towards those that look forward to doing what warshades have been able to do for a long time. Please don't tell me you're just one of those, "I liked it before it got better" types? That would be disappointing. |
'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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It doesn't take a genius to read between the lines, or notice when someone is avoiding a question. So, I suppose in a way, you've answered my question. Disappointing.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
Nothing that you quoted says that I don't like the changes, and I certainly don't see any hostility.
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What does it take to read things that aren't there? If your question is "what do you dislike about the changes", then my answer is "nothing". Is that clear enough for you?
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
It doesn't take a genius to read between the lines, or notice when someone is avoiding a question. So, I suppose in a way, you've answered my question. Disappointing.
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'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
What does it take to read things that aren't there? If your question is "what do you dislike about the changes", then my answer is "nothing". Is that clear enough for you?
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Originally Posted by Aneko
The second question should be: is it worth it? People seem to think so, but after playing a perma-Light, I found that I preferred my current build on Live.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
It just didn't suit my playstyle, and it might be a mistake for everyone to think it will be the only way to go.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
Why do you insist that there's a problem? I like what I'm currently doing better.
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Oh, it's clear as rain. Especially this part:
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Originally Posted by Aneko
I seem to be in the minority who's been enjoying my Peacebringers for years.
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Preferring pie does not imply that something is wrong with cake. I don't see your point.
'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
I'm not in range for Lightform but I can very easily see a way the old form can be considered better for some playstyles. The current version doesn't root you so it allows a player to be far more mobile. While the new version's increased uptime may be better overall, it may feel weird to some to constantly reuse it as opposed to having one large burst of survivability. Also, one nerf people gloss over is the fact that the new Lightform will have vastly lower status protection.
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I've heard the current 'no-rooting' thing is a bug they've just allowed to stay - I pretty much never took advantage of it anyway, so no problems for me, but I can see it for people that did.|
Originally Posted by Zamuel
I'm not in range for Lightform but I can very easily see a way the old form can be considered better for some playstyles. The current version doesn't root you so it allows a player to be far more mobile. While the new version's increased uptime may be better overall, it may feel weird to some to constantly reuse it as opposed to having one large burst of survivability. Also, one nerf people gloss over is the fact that the new Lightform will have vastly lower status protection.
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As for the other points: Yeah, the shortened Timeout of Lightform will be interesting; I'll be watching it in a similiar way that I do Hasten and Rage on other Characters, as I plan on having it up all the time. As for the lower status protection; well, since the Devs seem to think that's a splendid built-in weakness for Khelds, I guess having a power that's now permable would allow permanent status protection and we can't have that, now can we *sarcasm*. Oh well, I'm used to using Breakfrees.
I love that I'll be able to give up the Shields now and get other powers I want - sure helps with slotting too. But I REALLY love that Lightform won't turn me into a ball of light anymore; that I can still see my character. I know many liked the ball of light (we're playing energy aliens and that's our natural form) but I wasn't one of them. I make superhero costumes and I want to see them as I play. If light form made it so I couldn't see my creations most of the time, my PB wouldn't be coming out of retirement. And now, due to these changes, she is.
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Not until third or fourth tier Clarion. <.<
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Originally Posted by Socorro
As for the lower status protection; well, since the Devs seem to think that's a splendid built-in weakness for Khelds, I guess having a power that's now permable would allow permanent status protection and we can't have that, now can we *sarcasm*.
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'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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I prefer Rebirth, esp. since the New Light Form will be eating half my health every 90 seconds, a Third Click Heal (that also helps the team) is quite welcome. Like I said, Breakfrees have worked for me for years.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
Not until third or fourth tier Clarion. <.<
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<QR> I'm reserving judgement until I actually have a chance to try it out. I currently have Light Form on my PB, although I generally don't use it that often.
EDIT: Any time they start tinkering with Khelds it makes me nervous, regardless of whether the results are good or not.
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I agree with Rebirth if you're going perma-Light. Clarion is a good option otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Socorro
I prefer Rebirth, esp. since the New Light Form will be eating half my health every 90 seconds, a Third Click Heal (that also helps the team) is quite welcome. Like I said, Breakfrees have worked for me for years.
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'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
If you have enough recharge for Perma Light Form, Reform Essence/Essence Boost should be up more often than you need them anyways... That's not even taking the Dwarf heal into account if you have forms. Seems like an awful waste to use Rebirth as your primary destiny power. Barrier and Clarion are far more useful.
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Hardly a waste. The permanent form of Rebirth with +Regen would complement a Resistance-based Peacebringer and benefit a team, which is not an unusual idea considering they can take Glowing Touch already. Technically, a perma-Light PB doesn't need any of those Destinies much, so you can choose by concept or personal preference.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
If you have enough recharge for Perma Light Form, Reform Essence/Essence Boost should be up more often than you need them anyways... That's not even taking the Dwarf heal into account if you have forms. Seems like an awful waste to use Rebirth as your primary destiny power. Barrier and Clarion are far more useful.
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'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
Hardly a waste. The permanent form of Rebirth with +Regen would complement a Resistance-based Peacebringer and benefit a team, which is not an unusual idea considering they can take Glowing Touch already. Technically, a perma-Light PB doesn't need any of those Destinies much, so you can choose by concept or personal preference.
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Clarion will still be a help against mez heavy enemies... LF doesn't grant complete status protection. Barrier would probably be the one you'd get the most mileage out of, though. Defense tends to be more helpful than regen to a resist-heavy set.
I'm going rebirth radial to complement the boosted HP pb's get; I will already have the defense and resistance I want from my build and when the mez protection in lightform is not enough I'll just pop a breakfree. Rebirth will add a significant amount to my max survivability.
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This. My S/L defense is already in the upper 30s - just a single purple away from being softcapped. And with the New Lightform, I'll have 85% resist to all but Psi pretty much all the time. It's seems Barrier is the waste in this case, plus so many other toons already have it... I'm already being different by playing a PB; why not continue? |
Originally Posted by Microcosm
I'm going rebirth radial to complement the boosted HP pb's get; I will already have the defense and resistance I want from my build and when the mez protection in lightform is not enough I'll just pop a breakfree. Rebirth will add a significant amount to my max survivability.
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So, an extra Heal on top of that defense make me pretty darn tough. Yes, Lightform won't mez protect as well as it used to, but then, I didn't use it except in emergencies so I'm used to that...and it's not like you can't have a breakfree handy most of time.
I'll be making a t3 barrier and a t3 clarion and switching them around as necessary. The softcap is higher on Incarnate trials and even though my perma LF Peacebringer build has good defense, it's nowhere near the Incarnate Softcap. I don't like relying on outside buffs that I may or may not even get in order to have my survivability where I want it.