What AT & build best for solo play/leveling?


Aetherios

 

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Hi all,

After a 5 years break, I'm back to the game and am a bit lost. I was wondering if you could advise me on what AT & build would work the best for leveling and solo play?

I tried several of them up to lvl 6-8 and noticed I survive (and level the fastest) with a corruptor fire/(errr... forgot but one I can heal myself with).

Thank you for your time!


 

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First of all, welcome back!

Part of the beauty of City of Heroes is that anything CAN solo. There's all kinds of debate as to what's the BEST soloer. In my opinion, Brutes are the easiest to solo from 1->50. Scrappers are fairly close, in my experience they're a tad slower until they get SOs. Masterminds can solo fairly well as well, although controlling your pets can be a pain sometimes (there are some nice bind guides out there, look in the mastermind forum if you're interested). Certain combinations of corruptors or defenders can solo reasonably well as well (Dark Miasma and Traps are two that I have soloed with reasonably well). Tanks can solo, but it's slow going (you'll hardly ever die though).

I'll throw a few powerset combinations out there that I have solo'ed with reasonably well. Just about any brute or scrapper is going to solo just fine.

Brute:
-Stone Melee/Willpower- lots of single target damage, screen shake, a real SMASHy feeling. And you're durable and your secondary doesn't take a lot of micromanagement.
-Dark Melee/Electric Armor- Single target focused, self heal in the primary and secondary. Elec is probably a little less durable than Willpower and at higher levels you'll need to use your tricks (endurance drain, self heals) a little more to stay alive. But it's a combo that I had a lot of fun leveling up.

Scrapper:
-Kinetic Melee/Invulnerability- Lots of single target damage, durable secondary. Up to you if you like the KM animations or not.

Stalker:
-Dual Blades/Ninjutsu- I forgot to mention stalkers earlier. They're generally regarded as "less powerful" than scrappers and brutes, although I had loads of fun with this character. The dual blades animations give a graceful feel. As a stalker you generally start fights on your own terms, which could be helpful for a rusty player. Stalkers do very good burst damage, sustained damage a hair below brutes, but at the cost of survivability (lower hit points, defense and resistance are on a par with scrappers/brutes- but you will notice the difference). I should note that I have seen plenty of stalkers in Incarnate (end-game) raids and have not once had anyone give them a hard time, called them "gimp", or whatever. They did just fine.

Defender:
-Dark Miasma/Dark Blast- It's been a while since I leveled mine (Issue 4), but she was fun leveling and it's only gotten more powerful since then. Lots of debuffs and controls, relatively weaker damage and no status protection. But if you do team, you'll be just as useful as any other defender.

Corruptor:
-Assault Rifle/Traps- Currently leveling this guy. Lots of AoE damage, good debuffs along with a little defense and some status protection.

-Fire Blast/Dark Miasma- weaker debuffs than my defender (and it's noticeable), she takes more damage but dishes out a ton in return. If you want to play a defender or corruptor, you can't go wrong with this.

I think you're on the right track by trying a few and playing them for a few levels. Play whichever one you find fun. That'll level the fastest by default .


 

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Wow, that is one long answer! Thank you for that, it's exactly what I was looking for. I haven't yet tried the Brute but that's what I'm going for next time I log in. I kinda like the idea of an enormous beast smashing everything in its way.

Of course, you're right about "chosing the most fun" but for example, although I like my stalker, it got quite annoying to die so often with it (right, I may not be the most skilled player) so I'm looking for something a little more solid

Thanks again!


 

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Super strength / Willpower Brute

Be warned: It's so easy you'll get bored.


 

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If you're going to try a brute, I'd recommend Smurphy's guide, http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...highlight=JoJo

Lots of good suggestions in there, maybe a little less relevant with inherent stamina, but still good stuff and the title takes the cake.

Willpower is a good secondary that you can turn on and forget about.

The primaries all have slightly different feels to them, but I don't think there's any that are truly hard to solo with. Stone Melee and Super Strength feel very smashy, lots of screen shake, etc. War Mace hits with a soul-satisfying CRUNCH and has a good range of AoE and single target attacks. Dark Melee has lots of tricks in the kit bag (fear, self-heal) but is single target focused. Claws is very nice on Brutes. Hard to go wrong really. The only ones that are probably less effective would be Energy Melee (some hard hitting single target attacks, but very long animations and little AoE to speak of), and to a lesser degree Axe (sacrifices the size of some of Mace's AoEs for slightly higher damage).

Remember, as a Brute, your damage increases with how often you are hit or are hitting things. Sometimes it can be counterproductive to stop and heal/rest. There's a sweet spot where you're moving fast enough to keep fury up but not so fast that you don't have a little time to regen health and endurance. It's a fun archetype though... The Pain Train is comin' woo woo!


 

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You can solo with any AT but for me, my Masterminds have the easiest and most enjoyable to level solo with.


 

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Originally Posted by Valorin View Post
If you're going to try a brute, I'd recommend Smurphy's guide, http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...highlight=JoJo
Thanks for the link, it was a good read... ...and yes, before reading it, I have been slotting dmg everywhere and E.R. on shields.

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The Pain Train is comin' woo woo!
Yes! I rolled a super strength/willpower brute (tried stone but I don't visually like this hammer popping out of nowhere) and am now lvl 11, didn't die a single time yet


 

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My best solo characters by far have been a Claws/WP scrap and a KinMelee/WP stalker... They've both been capable of taking just about anything the game's thrown at them with a little thought.

I can't really pick a favorite between them... The scrap's faster attacks and higher damage pretty much equal out with the stalker's different damage type, burst attacks and ability to stealth things if she needs to. It's hard to go wrong with either primary, and the WP secondary covers most of the important bases in a very non-intrusive, click-and-forget sort of way.


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Especially through the lower levels I felt like my blaster was the best soloer. You'll fill out your attack chain faster than any other AT and if you're soloing on the standard +0x1 survivability shouldn't be an issue, since Blasters kill so quickly. I find that leveling up Melee's don't start to feel comfortable until SO level because you have to worry about slotting toggles, managing endurance, etc. without enough slots to do much with.


 

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Claws/WP Brute and Fire/Dark Corr.


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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer View Post
Claws/WP Brute and Fire/Dark Corr.
This.


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SS/FA and Claw/FA brutes are the fastest to lvl but they dont make amazing soloers overall. Invul or WP melee with AoE heavy sets (kat, claw, SS, fire...) are good soloers.

Some MM and trollers are also pretty impressive (bot/traps and ill/Rad coming first)


 

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Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU View Post
SS/FA and Claw/FA brutes are the fastest to lvl but they dont make amazing soloers overall. Invul or WP melee with AoE heavy sets (kat, claw, SS, fire...) are good soloers.

Some MM and trollers are also pretty impressive (bot/traps and ill/Rad coming first)
Yeah, if you just want to solo to 50 ASAP, and dont care how you get there, ss/fa and claws/fa are pretty much hands down the winner. If you actually want to go through all the normal content, brute/scrapper/MM, and certain corrs/defs are all very viable options (and all play differently aside from scrap/brute) so you can pretty much find something for any playstyle that will work, so let us know what you enjoy and we can get a better recomendation.

Also, as far as controllers go, Ill/rad is a great soloer... once you get to the high end. I know I don't enjoy soloing with them too much at the lower levels. For leveling a solo controller 1-50, I would actually say fire/rad will be a much smoother ride (going from my experience raising a fire/rad and an ill/cold), and it can still handle AVs solo (aside from infernal with crazy high fire resist).


 

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Best AT for leveling and solo play? An MM hands down. I don't PL or farm, and by far my fastest 50 ever has been my ds/poison MM (with my ds/dark MM is closing in on 50 fast, as well). I don't think I've teamed with either of them more than a handful times because I have so much fun soloing. I know that other MM's level equally fast (or faster), but for some reason I really love the demons.


 

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Also, as far as controllers go, Ill/rad is a great soloer... once you get to the high end. I know I don't enjoy soloing with them too much at the lower levels. For leveling a solo controller 1-50, I would actually say fire/rad will be a much smoother ride (going from my experience raising a fire/rad and an ill/cold), and it can still handle AVs solo (aside from infernal with crazy high fire resist).
I agree with this. Ill/ anything solos painfully and frustratingly slowly early on (to me, at least). Slow slow slow. It's not until you get to the Phantom Army (lvl 18) that it's doable at more than a snail's pace, and not until much later when it's actually fun (again, all of this is highly subjective, but that's been my experience). Post-32 Ill/ is about as much fun as you can have on a toon (if that's your thing), but getting there solo is . . . ugh.


 

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/FA brute we r talking less than ten hours play to 50. No MM gets anywhere close .

As for troller. I wouldnt say IllRad xps slower than FireRad. Endurance is a pain in the butt on FireRad and Phatom army comes earlier than imps. Confuse is also incredibly powerfull to manage tricky packs or sucky teams. Tho I d say its close but considering how easy IllRad solos AVs whenever PA and AR goes perma i really would pick IllRad for solo toon.


 

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Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU View Post
/FA brute we r talking less than ten hours play to 50. No MM gets anywhere close .
Now take that build as is outside of AE ambush farms...

There are a couple ways to solo based on diff setting. You either go higher level with small mobs, or lower level with bigger mobs. How a Spines/elec and Dark/shield solo is rather different, but each solos well.


 

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Originally Posted by Aetherios View Post
Yes! I rolled a super strength/willpower brute (tried stone but I don't visually like this hammer popping out of nowhere) and am now lvl 11, didn't die a single time yet
Grats! Please keep us updated and it sounds like you have a good combination that is working for you.


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Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU View Post
/FA brute we r talking less than ten hours play to 50. No MM gets anywhere close .

As for troller. I wouldnt say IllRad xps slower than FireRad. Endurance is a pain in the butt on FireRad and Phatom army comes earlier than imps. Confuse is also incredibly powerfull to manage tricky packs or sucky teams. Tho I d say its close but considering how easy IllRad solos AVs whenever PA and AR goes perma i really would pick IllRad for solo toon.
Granted, it has literally been years since I leveled my Fire/Rad, and my ill control experience is very recent (infact using this double XP weekend to push her to what i feel is a better soloing level for her ), but I really dont remember any painful spots on my fire rad... though i did street sweep her to 50 and not run content so that might be why.

Basically with the Fire/Rad i did sewers-->sweeping in perez-->sweeping in boom-->sweeping in DA (love those fire weak zombies)-->those wonderful wonderful packs of sky raider luets in TV-->katie hannon for the last push towards imps, and then regular content. I dont think there is any way at all a solo ill/rad troller can match that speed, but it might be closer if both were just running missions

It is very nice in that you get your main AOE skills very early (RI, EF, Fire cages, Hotfeet), but as you mentioned endurance is a little tricky. I would think that would be much easier though with inherent stamina.

I would also like to stress again though, Fire/Rad might not be as good at soloing AVs as Ill/Rad is, but it can still take down all but a handful. like i said, the only ones i remember having problems with were Envoy of shadows and Infernal (who i think at the time may have been immune to fire? some kind of crazy resistance at least). I even just recently ran her through all of one of Maria's AV crazy arcs to "warm up" since I just came back to the game after a long break.


 

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Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU View Post
SS/FA and Claw/FA brutes are the fastest to lvl but they dont make amazing soloers overall.
Are you talking about leveling from 1-50? If so, I'll agree with that, but at lvl 50 SS/Fire's are one of the best soloers.


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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp View Post
Now take that build as is outside of AE ambush farms...

There are a couple ways to solo based on diff setting. You either go higher level with small mobs, or lower level with bigger mobs. How a Spines/elec and Dark/shield solo is rather different, but each solos well.
On /FA I was talking about pure "fastest way to level to 50", so yeah, thats fire ambush farm. Tho, like some guy said ater, SS/FA isnt a bad soloer at 50, just does not match the IllRad or BotTrap when it come to AV kills. That being said SS/FA brute is probably the best duo partner a Empath or an IllCold can ever find.

And, so I said earlier, /WP is probably a better soloer than /FA for xp if you dont want to bore yourelf into oblivion on Fire Ambush maps (claw is probably slightly better than SS due to earlier AoE option and Followup being more lowlevel friendly than rage).


 

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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp View Post
Now take that build as is outside of AE ambush farms...
And it can solo Mo TFs :P

But having more to do with the OP, SS/ doesnt actually lvl up that great because it doesnt get any AoE until 32 (28 with burn from FA). FA though isnt *that* bad at all


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I find SS/fire to be way to squishy. I can't even stay alive doing +1/x8 tips. I'm using ss/fire/mu and it's a fully purpled out farming build from ultrawatt a year ago. He has level shift spiritual but no other incarnates. He just dies way too fast.


 

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I find SS/fire to be way to squishy. I can't even stay alive doing +1/x8 tips. I'm using ss/fire/mu and it's a fully purpled out farming build from ultrawatt a year ago. He has level shift spiritual but no other incarnates. He just dies way too fast.
I had this same experience until I started making sure I had rage back up, before or during the crash, started using inspirations more wisely, and got my T4 spirit. It all made a huge difference.

The only down side was I didn't care for FA so much.