Things that make you go "Hmm, what just happened"....... while BAFing

As far as I know, it has nothing to do with minimum size. And I tried it two days ago and it still failed.

I am quite unclear on what there is to be thankful about that. Even if it was a bug, why is that bug something to thankful to have removed? That strikes me like being happy that they changed a variable name somewhere in the source code.

I am thankful that bugs are actually being fixed.

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Wendy, it is perfectly clear to me that you have so much invested in this that you aren't even willing to see another viewpoint. At that point a discussion is not possible. So rather than continue this, I'm not going to respond to you about it any more.

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Some people feel the trials should be an activity that truly enforces minimum team sizes (i.e. even padding to start does not work) and they also think trials should all be random collections of people thrown together by the TuT.

On the former, the devs are some of those people and thus the game is coded to cause trials below the minimum to fail. If you think that is there to protect people from trying a task which will just frustrate them, you are incorrect. It is there to enforce the minimum team size in order to encourage inclusivity. Personally, I am not really opposed to it, but I also do not feel it is needed. Most trials I get on seem to like to have the minimum plus even more. Of course, that could change (especially as more and more people get higher tier incarnate stuffs), so perhaps it is a good "saftey" net to include the enforced minimums.

I like the fact that this encourages more people to get together.

Ewww, yuck. I've been on some groups like that. It isn't pretty.

<Shrug> More players means greater chance that you have a good mix of characters with the needed powersets to complete the trials.

I have no problem with that and I think that is a good reason for the minimums.

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I think you missed my point. This feature is there to specifically prevent people from forming sub-sized leagues to force leagues to include more people not to alleviate potential frustration from possible failure.

I think they should fix that... so that it ends any trial that is that low.

Sort of the same way every other task force and trial in the game have been doing for years.. exactly how are the ITrials any different in that respect.

Wait aren't you the same person that months ago argues against overwhelming odds that league leaders should not be allowed to lock league so that JUST any player could join the LFG and join any team. So have you changed you opinion since NC Soft decided we were right and now it is possible to lock a league... or is it just your teams that should be hand picked and the rest of us should take anyone and anything the game throws at us!


I wasn't aware there was a specific set of required or recommended power sets needed to complete a trial. I did a lamba a week or so ago with 7 blasters and 2 corrupters.. Between the two teams we had one tank and we managed to collect all 10 grenades and acids and with the damage output we destroyed Maurader before he had a chance to even move from his spawn point. Took the same team and added 2 more blaster to a mini BAF .. the Tank dc'c and never returned .. and yet we didn't allow a single prisoner to escape and defeated NS and Siege with NO problem. All any team needs is good players that know how to play and in the case of the trials know how to follow instructions. And I have been on BAFs that succeeded that had 12 players.. been on full sized 24 player leagues that failed miserably...


And yet in the same post you say "Ewww, yuck. I've been on some groups like that. It isn't pretty" Let us face the cold hard facts here..someone else already brought this up and at some point these trials are going to become OLD news as newer ones emerge. As an example how many 50 level players are still doing multiple Task Forces a week farming for shards and the weekly Notice of the Well.... I'm not saying they never get run but no where near as much as before 1-20 arrived and the emphasis shifted from shards to threads.

Already people are developing favorites among what we have

Tankers, Brutes, Scrappers Ect.. have no problem with Lambda since they have the survivability to get through the glowie phase with limited or even no deaths. Squishier ATs tend to view the LAM as a necessary once a day evil to collectthe additional Empyrean

Blasters and controllers in particular enjoy the BAF, well at least mine do since they almost always seem to score rares or very rares here. Melee toons like it too but the prisoner escape phase is tougher for them because unless a controller has immobed them.. absolutely nothing stands still and you have to chase everything to get in more than one attack. Of all three these is the most popular simply because its th easiest to complete and offers up the most Astrals without doing anything special.

It may be different on other servers but despite being new the Keyes Island Trial is the least popular. Not saying you don't see the hard core "I must earn 3 empyreans a day,.... because I can now!" from forming and running them but a lot of players are avoiding it like a plaque. I personally have been on 6 and 5 were successful.. we had Anti-matter down to 15% of his health when time simply ran out on us in that 6th one. Its not horrible but I can see how anyone fairly new would be totally lost and frustrated beyond belief as they die over and over and over again.

I'll be totally honest most of the time I run one Lambda and then stick to BAFs on any character I log on. Now we know a new trial will arrive along with issue 21 .. the Underground and as of yet all I have seen is the trailer but iy looks interesting and involves Devouring Earth.. OMG a chance to fight something besides IDT. Depending on how involved and difficult they make thatI am better a serious drop in the number of BAFs and Lams occurs for a while when we all get something new to do.

So let's say 6 months down the road you are trying to form a Lambda and it takes you almost 35 minutes to get 14-16 players together. Or maybe after 30 minutes you get tired of rejections and go with 9 or 10. You enter the missions and one player never materializes so now you have 8, the absolute MINIMUM allowed .. you clear the streets, you courtyard and then while taking out the gun turrents a player apologizes because his wife just called and he has to go pick up her.. her car died. Now you are just about ready to enter the facility, take on the security guard and start collecting acids and grenades but..WAIT. the league is now under the minimum and chances before we get a chance to defeat Maurader we will be kicked out because our team is too small to continue. You can honestly tell me that you are going to be perfectly happy quitting and heading back out to start recruiting all over again.... If so you are pretty much the ONLY person I know that would be.


Oh and to be TOTALLY honest.. the fact that you say you will not respond to my posts is a very idle threat since I really don't care if you do or not. Seems to me at one point when we had a similar discussion like this going on you put me on ignore and swore you'd never even READ a post by me again and yet here we are once again!

I'm with you Flea and this is exactly what I have been ranting about. Players like having the ability to accomplish things everyone SAYS can't be done...

A blaster solos and defeats Lusca

A dou completes a Master of run on the ITF

and the fact is for the most part we are even talking about the spectacular feats that earn you bragging rights.. Just stop failing trials for no reason other than.. one member of your teams has quit the trial . you now have 11 total members and the minimum required TO START is 12.. sorry you fail!

The only people complaining and insisting that a minimum be enforced are ones that have placed these trials on some pedastal and turned them into sacred cows. OH no You can't alter the trial in any way ... it MUST be left alone because it is perfect!

If its so perfect why have we already seen.. Changes allowing leagues to lock teams so no outsiders can enter when a league desires to begin with less than the maximum number allowed. Changes that finally distributed credit league wide for all defeats ... instead of only getting credit for the ones your team defeats. Changes that finally altered IXP to a decent level during a trial. Changes that allow players doing the BAF to skip the opening cut scene if everyone on the trial has done it before and viewed the scene at least once. And lets see what other changes can we look forward to seeing as soon as the bugs are worked out..

While not exclusive to the trials.. hopefully soon we can look forward to not having the team window bug to deal with where it appears a player is not in zone even when they are standing right beside the league leader.

Oh and at some point hopefully they will readdress the team lock feature since I really don't think the intent was to break the team down into small one and two man teams as soon as you zone into the trial.. forcing the leader, once he or she gets the star back, to reassemble the teams.

Yeah that's 4 changes already and HOPEFULLY 2 more in the works.. sounds like they are just absolutely perfect to me. LOL

IF this bug that is randomly failing trials based on team size is truly working as intended then lets Change the way it works. I have no desire myself to solo or duo a trial but would be really upset if a trial I was on was failed just because team size dropped 1 below some "magical" minimum. And if some one out there managed to complete a trial solo BRAVO..

Oh and I don't care if 24 players complete a BAF or ONE PLAYER completes a BAF the Astral and Empyrean merit rewards are just that.. a REWARD for completing each assigned task including successfully completing the trial. They are not mana that has fallen from the heavens to bless the appropriate sized team that does those same things.