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This depends. Are you going for the soft-cap with a particular number of foes in range of your aura? If so, how many? But yes, it's doable, and usually a little pricey if you don't want a gimped build. But with 121.7 second recharge on Hasten, I think you can consider it perma. a 1.7 second down time... are you really that concerned with closing the gap?|
Originally Posted by darkangel32
Is perma hasten achievable on a invuln/ss tank without sacrificing tons of defense and resistance?
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| The second questions is is perma hasten achievable without spending billions on influence with going the purple set. Ill try to post my planned build later when I get home but wanted peoples opinion on this to see if I could make any changes to it first. thanks for the input guys. |
5 LotG's (37.5%) + 5 5% Bonuses (25%) + 6 slotted Mocking Beratement (7.5%) + 4 sets of purples (40%) will get you there (110% total).
You'll just need to farm the hell out of alignment merits to purchase it all.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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Funny I got Perma Hasten without all that and I just have it 2 slotted on most of my builds. I hardly use Purples on my builds either.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
This depends. Are you going for the soft-cap with a particular number of foes in range of your aura? If so, how many? But yes, it's doable, and usually a little pricey if you don't want a gimped build. But with 121.7 second recharge on Hasten, I think you can consider it perma. a 1.7 second down time... are you really that concerned with closing the gap?
Yes, you can achieve perma hasten without spending billions. You need to achieve 107.5% global recharge bonus, and 3-slot hasten for recharge. 5 LotG's (37.5%) + 5 5% Bonuses (25%) + 6 slotted Mocking Beratement (7.5%) + 4 sets of purples (40%) will get you there (110% total). You'll just need to farm the hell out of alignment merits to purchase it all. |
hmm didnt think about mocking beratement, was using perfect zingers, but in other words if i want perma hasten its gonna cost me billions, might just have to see how low I can get it with luck of the gamblers and mocking beratement and a few other set changes, and call the toon done and start working on my defender and other toons. dont know if that one thing is worth messing with on a toon that is nearly invincible anyway just a little slow on killing stuff. thanks for the info though.
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uh...2 slotted hasten and no purps?|
Originally Posted by LSK
Funny I got Perma Hasten without all that and I just have it 2 slotted on most of my builds. I hardly use Purples on my builds either.
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I'll go ahead and call you out... pics or it didn't happen.
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I do not have a pic of that but here is the build.|
Originally Posted by Last Post
uh...2 slotted hasten and no purps?
I'll go ahead and call you out... pics or it didn't happen. |
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When I [paste this into Mids' it shows the recharge on hasten as 152.8 s when hasten is running
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Originally Posted by LSK
I do not have a pic of that but here is the build.
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I think that the lowest you can get perma hasten on is @ about 80% recharge plus the spiritual alpha (and hasten four slotted?)
It's also a WP/SS, which makes Spiritual a better choice. Not quite the same story on an Inv/SS.
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Are you sure bout that and not looking at the wrong one? Hasten last 120s it recharges with hasten at 114s
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Originally Posted by all_hell
When I [paste this into Mids' it shows the recharge on hasten as 152.8 s when hasten is running
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Originally Posted by streetlight
It's also a WP/SS, which makes Spiritual a better choice. Not quite the same story on an Inv/SS.
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Gotta watch out for the Force Feedback proc. It's only up for 5 seconds, then down for 10 seconds. At best, that means it's up 1/3 of the time, which works out to about 1/3 of the effect.
EDIT: Looking around a bit more, it seems like there may be some confusion on whether it still suppresses. It sounds like it might refuse to stack instead. So it might be possible to have a perpetual 100% if your FS was hitting every 5 seconds.
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Even with out it u can still get it perma.
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Originally Posted by streetlight
Gotta watch out for the Force Feedback proc. It's only up for 5 seconds, then down for 10 seconds. At best, that means it's up 1/3 of the time, which works out to about 1/3 of the effect.
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Best regards,
Tommy Truestar
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Originally Posted by Tommy_Truestar
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LSK, you should be clicking the green circle (so it turns grey) in Foot Stomp to turn off the Force Feedback proc effect. You are misleading yourself into thinking you will have perma-Hasten in your build by leaving the proc on in Mids. Due to the nature of the proc, it is difficult to calculate how much of an actual impact it will have in actual gameplay. I wouldn't shave more than a couple seconds off Hasten's recharge when estimating the effects of the Force Feedback proc.
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Ba your right I did do that befor my last post but I was thinking something else.
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Originally Posted by Syntax42
LSK, you should be clicking the green circle (so it turns grey) in Foot Stomp to turn off the Force Feedback proc effect. You are misleading yourself into thinking you will have perma-Hasten in your build by leaving the proc on in Mids. Due to the nature of the proc, it is difficult to calculate how much of an actual impact it will have in actual gameplay. I wouldn't shave more than a couple seconds off Hasten's recharge when estimating the effects of the Force Feedback proc.
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Yeah, that's not close to permahasten. Even having 90% global recharge with 3 slotted hasten, the proc only sometimes makes it perma, depending how much it goes off.
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For something like Inv, if you want to softcap S/L/F/C/E/N with one foe in range of Invincibility while getting perma hasten, chances are you'll have to spend some money to do it.
You can however go for one or the other and get by with a budget build or settle for hasten being up just most of the time (With 10-20 seconds downtime) and do just fine as well.
Counting in Spiritual...
-S/L/E/N softcap with 1 foe
-perma hasten
-And it should be fairly cheap
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ok...
-S/L/F/C/E/N softcap with one foe
-Hasten is now 0.6 seconds from perma.... bummer
-Spiritual not necessary
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ok... -S/L/F/C/E/N softcap with one foe -Hasten is now 0.6 seconds from perma.... bummer -Spiritual not necessary Code:
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it's there..
didn't say it would be pretty
ok thanks for the replies guys, look at the build i had set up on mids earlier and some funky things happened, apparantly i learned how to make mids do math for me and I see hasten is like recharging in 100 seconds so i can trim some of the expense down assuming mids is correct which im not so certain about now cause every time i look at it the recharge seems to be different, but oh well. im gonna plug in my current build and see where that leads me and then know what to change.
Make sure you don't have Foot Stomp toggled on with the FF proc.
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Better post your build. You could be walking into a huge mistake with wasted influence and time as your lesson learned.
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Originally Posted by darkangel32
ok thanks for the replies guys, look at the build i had set up on mids earlier and some funky things happened, apparantly i learned how to make mids do math for me and I see hasten is like recharging in 100 seconds so i can trim some of the expense down assuming mids is correct which im not so certain about now cause every time i look at it the recharge seems to be different, but oh well. im gonna plug in my current build and see where that leads me and then know what to change.
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
ok got two questions for the tanker community.
I currently have a invuln/ss tank that ive gotten io enhancements in, the build works for survivability, with nearly 40 percent defense in everything. I took a base off of call me awesome invuln guide and went from there. I like his defenses and I like his resistances, the problem I got into is in the recharge of the powers so now im trying to get lower recharges for all his powers so he can put out more damage. what im currently working on is getting perma hasten and perma dull pain. perma dull pain is quite easy to get but perma hasten is starting to annoy me. according to mids after i changed out a few things and put some very expensive to obtain purple sets in the build the lowest I can get hasten to recharge is 121.7 seconds or something like that.
so i have two questions basically. Is perma hasten achievable on a invuln/ss tank without sacrificing tons of defense and resistance? The second questions is is perma hasten achievable without spending billions on influence with going the purple set. Ill try to post my planned build later when I get home but wanted peoples opinion on this to see if I could make any changes to it first. thanks for the input guys.